From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754326AbXD1Wsy (ORCPT ); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 18:48:54 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754327AbXD1Wsy (ORCPT ); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 18:48:54 -0400 Received: from mailout.stusta.mhn.de ([141.84.69.5]:37636 "EHLO mailhub.stusta.mhn.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754326AbXD1Wsx (ORCPT ); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 18:48:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 00:49:04 +0200 From: Adrian Bunk To: Linus Torvalds , Diego Calleja , Chuck Ebbert , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.21 Message-ID: <20070428224904.GE3468@stusta.de> References: <20070426040806.GJ3468@stusta.de> <20070426125802.GL3468@stusta.de> <4630DB24.4030005@redhat.com> <20070426201325.8a1ebda3.diegocg@gmail.com> <20070426224148.69b91b2e.diegocg@gmail.com> <20070428195320.GZ3468@stusta.de> <20070428202701.GA30343@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070428202701.GA30343@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 09:27:01PM +0100, Russell King wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 09:53:20PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > We are already quite good at ignoring bug reports that come through > > linux-kernel, and it's an _advantage_ of the kernel Bugzilla to see more > > than 1600 open bugs because this tells how bad we are at handling bugs. > > How many thousand bug reports have been ignored during the same time on > > linux-kernel? > > However, look at this bug: > > http://bugme.osdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7760 > > It's outside my knowledge to be able to fix for various reasons: >... > I'm personally very tempted to close it as "won't fix" (I wish there was > a "can't fix" category.) >... So this is a completely debugged bug in a well-maintained subsystem (no matter what the status in Bugzilla is). The problem is that the other 1600 open bugs aren't in this state. > I'm no longer serial maintainer. Bug IDs after about 7000 reflect bugs > submitted since I've resigned my serial maintainership, and therefore > I've ignored them. >... That's one of the problems: Unmaintained subsystems. Since you stepped down as serial maintainer (and it's your right as maintainer to do so), the serial subsystem is unmaintained. That's exactly where Linus' "drop any bug reports that are more than a week old" suggestion is completely flawed - no matter what the submitter does, how often he tests latest kernels, noone will help him. > It's far easier to ignore bug reports in bugzilla > than it is to get categories reassigned (to whom? - dunno) or even > deleted (if no one steps up presumably that's what needs to happen?) >... New subsystems always get default owners like drivers_ieee1394@kernel-bugs.osdl.org, and people interested in such bugs can edit their preferences to watching all (pseudo) users in whose bugs they are interested. drivers_serial@kernel-bugs.osdl.org [1] would be the logical defult owner. > Russell King cu Adrian [1] or @linux-foundation.org -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed