From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754358AbXD1XEI (ORCPT ); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 19:04:08 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754367AbXD1XEI (ORCPT ); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 19:04:08 -0400 Received: from emailhub.stusta.mhn.de ([141.84.69.5]:37644 "EHLO mailhub.stusta.mhn.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754358AbXD1XEF (ORCPT ); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 19:04:05 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 01:04:16 +0200 From: Adrian Bunk To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Diego Calleja , Chuck Ebbert , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.21 Message-ID: <20070428230416.GF3468@stusta.de> References: <20070426040806.GJ3468@stusta.de> <20070426125802.GL3468@stusta.de> <4630DB24.4030005@redhat.com> <20070426201325.8a1ebda3.diegocg@gmail.com> <20070426224148.69b91b2e.diegocg@gmail.com> <20070428195320.GZ3468@stusta.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 03:33:39PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > > We are already quite good at ignoring bug reports that come through > > linux-kernel, and it's an _advantage_ of the kernel Bugzilla to see more > > than 1600 open bugs because this tells how bad we are at handling bugs. > > No, it just shows that bugzilla doesn't matter for most of the kernel. > > Don't say that "bugzilla tells how bad we are at handling bugs". It tells > how bad *bugzilla* is for handling bugs, nothing more. > > Trying to play politics by pointing to bugzilla is pointless. Bugzilla is > used for a few subsystems (ACPI seems to use it actively, for example), > but I doubt most developers use it. > > Would be be good to have a better bug-tracking setup? Yes. But I think it > takes man-power, and it would take something *fundamentally* better than > bugzilla. Bugzilla has an email interface. Andrew forwards bugs from Bugzilla to developers. There might be small room for improvements, but I don't see how man-power or technology could make a big difference in this area. > Maybe the new "http://kernelnewbies.org/known_regressions" thing will > evolve to something worth tracking. Right now, bugzilla isn't it (although > it can be a useful tracking place for individual bugs, *once* you've found > and gotten the right developer involved - but that's a huge step that > bugzilla generally does *not* do for us). "*once* you've found and gotten the right developer involved" is the real problem, not how to track bugs. And not only a developer active in this area, more important a developer who knows the subsystem/driver involved *and is willing to work on bug reports*. *This* is *the* problem. And no change in bug tracking will help with this problem. > Linus cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed