From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755086AbXD2JAi (ORCPT ); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 05:00:38 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756319AbXD2JAh (ORCPT ); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 05:00:37 -0400 Received: from gprs189-60.eurotel.cz ([160.218.189.60]:48257 "EHLO amd.ucw.cz" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755086AbXD2I7u (ORCPT ); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 04:59:50 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:59:37 +0200 From: Pavel Machek To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" Cc: Linus Torvalds , Nigel Cunningham , Pekka J Enberg , LKML , Oleg Nesterov Subject: Re: Back to the future. Message-ID: <20070429085937.GD1900@elf.ucw.cz> References: <1177567481.5025.211.camel@nigel.suspend2.net> <200704290103.38409.rjw@sisk.pl> <200704291057.48747.rjw@sisk.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200704291057.48747.rjw@sisk.pl> X-Warning: Reading this can be dangerous to your mental health. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060126 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi! > > Ie we do have history of _not_ freezing things. The freezing came later, > > and came with the subsystem that had more problems.. > > It doesn't have that many problems as you are trying to suggest. At present, > the only problems with it happen if someone tries to "improve" it in the way > I did with the workqueues. > > Anyway, the freezing of tasks, including kernel threads, is one of the few > things on which Pavel, Nigel and me completely agree that they should be done, > so perhaps you could accept that? Actually, if we want to support OLPC _nicely_, we'll need to get rid of freezer from suspend-to-RAM. Of course, that _will_ put more pressure at the drivers -- and break few of them... Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html