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From: Johannes Stezenbach <js@linuxtv.org>
To: Indan Zupancic <indan@nul.nu>
Cc: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Diego Calleja <diegocg@gmail.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.21
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:41:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070429234102.GA13344@linuxtv.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2722.81.207.0.53.1177888737.squirrel@secure.samage.net>

On Mon, Apr 30, 2007, Indan Zupancic wrote:
> On Mon, April 30, 2007 00:36, Johannes Stezenbach wrote:
> > The lesson to learn is that there are some very valid
> > reasons why bug reports get ignored (some not mentioned here),
> > and there's nothing you can do about it. And it has nothing to
> > do with the method or tool used for reporting or tracking.
> >
> > And I also think that ignoring bad bug reports _increases_
> > the software quality, because you can use the saved time
> > working on something productive. And it makes developers
> > happier :-)
> >
> > [Just to avoid misunderstandings: By no means do I advocate
> > ignoring *every* bug report. But ignoring the bad ones
> > is just the sane thing to do.]
> 
> I don't know, but what about telling the hapless person who went
> through the process of posting a bug what's wrong with the bug report?
> Or is software quality the only thing you care about, and you don't
> want to waste time on learning people to write better bug reports?
> 
> If you want to scare away bug reporters, just ignore their first (and
> thus likely bad) bug report they write. There isn't much less motivating
> than a deafening silence. Just compare it with writing a patch.
> 
> Though, in a sense, if the software quality is measured by the number of
> bug reports, your tactic might "improve" it indeed.
> 
> That said, if someone is an obvious idiot, ignoring saves time. But I
> think that's quite rare, and in general you should give the reporter
> feedback, and then ignore the bug report. (Until it improves.)

Well, I'm a moody bastard, and I would hope other people handle
this better than I. However, all the bugzillas of this world
are full with old, ignored bugs, amd I thought this might
serve as an explanation why.

Developers are just humans and if they have no incentive to
act on a bug report they will ignore it. I think this is a
fact that you have to deal with.

It's also not necessarily the fault of the reporter if
a bug report gets ignored, but for every report a developer
has to make a decision to handle it or not, and there are
lots of reasons why he may decide to not handle it, or
at least not now (and then forget about it).

But I'm quite sure that an important bug would be reported
again until fixed.


Johannes

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-29 23:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 292+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-26  3:29 Linux 2.6.21 Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26  4:08 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26  4:38   ` Dave Jones
2007-04-26  5:02   ` Greg KH
2007-04-26  5:44     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  5:04   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-26  6:28   ` Jeff Chua
2007-04-26  6:46   ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-26  8:03     ` Oliver Neukum
2007-04-26 12:32     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26  8:42   ` Soeren Sonnenburg
2007-04-26  9:20   ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 10:44   ` Jesper Juhl
2007-04-26 12:58   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 15:47     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 16:59       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 17:20         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 17:48           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 18:37         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 18:45           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:55             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 21:34             ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 19:11           ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-27 17:14           ` Michael Tokarev
2007-04-27 19:35             ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-28 20:44             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 20:50         ` Alan Cox
2007-04-27 14:58           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-27 16:31             ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-27 19:46               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-27 20:23                 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-28 12:51                 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-27 21:17         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 17:02       ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-04-26 18:13         ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-26 18:42           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 20:41             ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-26 21:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27  9:33                 ` Marek Wawrzyczny
2007-04-28 19:08                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-28 22:11                   ` Neil Brown
2007-04-28 22:33                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 22:42                       ` Neil Brown
2007-04-28 23:14                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29  0:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29  3:03                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-29  0:07                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29  3:28                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 19:53                 ` Adrian Bunk
     [not found]                   ` <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704281529080. 9964@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2007-04-28 20:27                   ` Russell King
2007-04-28 21:43                     ` irks with bugzilla (was Re: Linux 2.6.21) Stefan Richter
2007-04-28 22:49                     ` Linux 2.6.21 Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 23:29                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 13:15                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 16:07                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 16:34                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29 16:49                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 17:37                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 17:50                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-14  6:29                                   ` regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21) Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 15:33                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-14 16:39                                       ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 16:36                                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-14 17:30                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-14 20:33                                           ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 20:46                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-15 23:20                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-15 23:42                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16  1:32                                         ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-16  2:55                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16  5:03                                             ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-16 13:25                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16 12:23                                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-16 12:54                                             ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17  0:44                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17  9:41                                               ` [PATCH] (Re: regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21)) Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17  9:55                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-17 10:22                                                   ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 11:47                                                     ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 12:13                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 14:24                                                         ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 14:48                                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 17:44                                                       ` david
2007-06-17 21:23                                                         ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 12:01                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 12:45                                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 13:17                                                   ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 14:02                                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 14:29                                                     ` How to improve the quality of the kernel? Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 16:15                                                       ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 16:26                                                       ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 16:47                                                         ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 18:24                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 18:44                                                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 18:50                                                           ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-22 12:01                                                             ` Markus Rechberger
2007-06-22 14:19                                                               ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-22 15:25                                                                 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 17:31                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 17:42                                                         ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-17 18:16                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 19:31                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 18:53                                                       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 18:52                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-17 19:18                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 19:33                                                             ` Carlo Wood
2007-06-17 20:00                                                               ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 20:10                                                                 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 21:49                                                           ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 23:15                                                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-18  0:22                                                               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-18  0:32                                                                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-18  5:09                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-18 13:23                                                                 ` Fortier,Vincent [Montreal]
2007-06-18 22:31                                                                   ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-18 22:41                                                                     ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-18 22:56                                                                       ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-18 23:59                                                                         ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19  0:09                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19  0:24                                                                             ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19  0:42                                                                               ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19  0:55                                                                                 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19  1:10                                                                                   ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19  4:06                                                                             ` This is [Re:] How to improve the quality of the kernel[?] Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 12:48                                                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 14:05                                                                                 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 14:27                                                                                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 15:47                                                                                     ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 17:50                                                                                       ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 18:56                                                                                         ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 19:21                                                                                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 15:04                                                                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 15:08                                                                                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 17:14                                                                                     ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 15:01                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19 16:53                                                                                   ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 17:04                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19 17:37                                                                                       ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19 17:51                                                                                       ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-21 23:51                                                                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-21 23:59                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-22  0:16                                                                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-21 23:48                                                                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 13:30                                                                               ` Don Armstrong
2007-06-19  1:51                                                                         ` How to improve the quality of the kernel? Fortier,Vincent [Montreal]
2007-06-19  2:27                                                                           ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19 11:06                                                                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 23:15                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-18  1:04                                                               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 18:54                                                         ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-19  0:28                                       ` regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21) Martin Bligh
2007-06-19 14:49                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-19 17:27                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-29 18:50                                 ` Linux 2.6.21 Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 18:58                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 19:14                                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 20:18                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 20:43                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:00                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 22:00                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 23:14                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 20:52                                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-04-29 22:09                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-30  6:30                                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-30 23:08                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-04 18:18                                     ` Bugzilla (was Linux 2.6.21) Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-30  5:43                                 ` Linux 2.6.21 Willy Tarreau
2007-04-29 17:35                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 17:47                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 18:09                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 18:47                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 18:59                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 19:31                                   ` Russell King
2007-04-29 19:40                                   ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 19:51                                     ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-30  1:50                                       ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-30  4:54                                         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-30  5:06                                           ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-29 20:17                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 20:33                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 21:05                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:24                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30  7:45                                             ` Anton Altaparmakov
2007-04-30 18:09                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30 18:20                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30 18:27                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30 18:57                                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30 19:25                                                   ` Vegard Nossum
2007-04-29 22:36                                           ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-04-29 23:18                                             ` Indan Zupancic
2007-04-29 23:41                                               ` Johannes Stezenbach [this message]
2007-04-30  0:05                                                 ` Indan Zupancic
2007-04-30  7:54                                               ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-29 20:56                                       ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 21:10                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:16                                           ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:21                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:26                                               ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:52                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-29 22:19                                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:33                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-29 22:37                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 22:48                                                       ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 23:09                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 22:42                                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:57                                                       ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:51                                           ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 23:19                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 21:29                                     ` Francois Romieu
2007-05-02 19:59                                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-04-29 20:01                                   ` David Miller
2007-04-29 21:26                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 21:41                                       ` David Miller
2007-04-29 22:15                                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 20:38                                   ` Simon Arlott
2007-04-30  7:34                             ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-29 23:55                           ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-30  0:13                             ` Dave Jones
2007-04-30  1:14                             ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-04-30  1:31                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-30  5:02                             ` Kyle Moffett
2007-04-30  7:59                             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-04-30 16:51                             ` David Lang
2007-04-29  7:34                       ` Russell King
2007-04-28 22:33                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-28 22:58                     ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-28 23:40                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29  0:05                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:27                           ` Dave Jones
2007-04-29 21:27                             ` David Lang
2007-04-29 22:09                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29  0:20                         ` Bob Tracy
2007-04-29  0:40                           ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-29  0:28                         ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-29  3:40                       ` David Miller
2007-04-29  6:43                         ` David Lang
2007-04-29  9:34                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29  9:40                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29  6:01                       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-29  9:53                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29  7:37                       ` Russell King
2007-04-28 23:04                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 23:58                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29  3:41                       ` David Miller
2007-04-29  8:44                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-30 18:13                   ` Borislav Petkov
2007-04-26 17:39       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 17:44         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 21:14           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 23:32     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-27  0:22       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 23:08     ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-26 17:23   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 18:04     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 18:36       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 18:58         ` Francois Romieu
2007-04-26 19:13           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 19:19             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:43             ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:43             ` Francois Romieu
2007-04-26 19:53               ` Stephen Clark
     [not found]             ` <4630FC6C.6070902@seclark.us>
     [not found]               ` <4630FE8D.6090900@garzik.org>
2007-04-26 19:48                 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-27 15:22                   ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:13           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:14       ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:32         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 21:02         ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-26 21:02         ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-27 21:36         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26  6:30 ` Jan De Luyck
2007-04-26  8:23 ` Marat Buharov
2007-04-27  6:30   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26  8:35 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26 16:40   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 19:02     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-27  4:08       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-26 19:57     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26 21:59     ` Mel Gorman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-04-26  7:52 linux
2007-04-28 20:42 Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-29 20:46 Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-29 21:39 ` Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
2007-04-29 21:04 Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-30  3:02 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30  4:57   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-30  7:43     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-30  6:25   ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-30 14:56     ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-30  6:09 Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-30  7:01 ` David Miller
2007-04-30 18:10   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30 10:03 Nicolas Mailhot

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