From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com>,
Ting Yang <tingy@cs.umass.edu>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] CFS scheduler, -v8
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 11:56:13 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070502185613.GU31925@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070502181533.GA19479@elte.hu>
* William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com> wrote:
>> Virtual time is time from the task's point of view, which it has spent
>> executing. ->wait_runtime is a device to subtract out time spent on
>> the runqueue but not running from what would otherwise be virtual time
>> to express lag, whether deliberately or coincidentally. [...]
On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 08:15:33PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> CFS is in fact _built around_ the ->wait_runtime metric (which, as its
> name suggests already, expresses the precise lag a task observes
> relative to 'ideal' fair execution), so what exactly makes you suspect
> that this property of the ->wait_runtime metric might be 'coincidental'?
> ;-)
The coincidental aspect would be that at the time it was written, the
formal notion of lag was not being used particularly with respect to
priorities and load weights. The documentation doesn't describe it in
those terms, and I can't read minds, so I refrained from guessing.
Things are moving in good directions on all this as far as I'm
concerned. Moving according to Ting Yang's analysis should wrap up the
soundness concerns about intra-queue policy I've had. OTOH load
balancing I know much less about (not that I was ever any sort of an
expert on single queue affairs). That remains a very deep concern, as
load balancing is where most of the enterprise performance improvements
and degradations occur.
-- wli
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-05-02 18:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-05-01 21:22 [patch] CFS scheduler, -v8 Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 2:57 ` Ting Yang
2007-05-02 5:10 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-02 5:30 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-02 10:05 ` Bill Huey
2007-05-02 10:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 17:36 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-02 17:48 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-02 18:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 18:56 ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2007-05-02 19:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 19:42 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-03 2:48 ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03 3:18 ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03 10:19 ` Bill Huey
2007-05-02 23:41 ` Ting Yang
2007-05-02 18:42 ` Li, Tong N
2007-05-02 19:10 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-03 3:07 ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03 8:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-03 14:26 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-03 15:19 ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03 15:02 ` Ting Yang
2007-05-02 6:37 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-05-02 6:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 8:03 ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02 8:12 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-05-02 8:48 ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02 8:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 8:51 ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02 7:59 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-05-02 8:11 ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02 10:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 9:08 ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-02 10:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 10:59 ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-02 11:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-05 8:31 ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-05 17:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-06 8:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-06 8:36 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-06 8:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-06 17:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-07 11:30 ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-07 15:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-07 16:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-08 0:35 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-08 9:05 ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-09 0:01 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-10 13:09 ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-11 16:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-11 19:18 ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-11 19:37 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-11 20:53 ` Kevin Bowling
2007-05-07 11:09 ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-07 16:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-07 18:39 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-05-07 18:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-08 7:34 ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-08 9:54 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-05-08 10:27 ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-08 5:36 ` Matt Mackall
2007-05-02 12:58 ` Mark Lord
2007-05-02 12:58 ` Vegard Nossum
2007-05-02 16:41 ` Ingo Molnar
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-05-03 8:20 Zoltan Boszormenyi
2007-05-03 13:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-03 13:29 ` Damien Wyart
2007-05-03 14:53 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-03 15:53 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-03 18:44 ` Li, Tong N
2007-05-03 19:52 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-07 14:22 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-07 20:54 ` Li, Tong N
2007-05-07 0:04 ` Bill Davidsen
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