From: Bill Huey (hui) <billh@gnuppy.monkey.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
caglar@pardus.org.tr, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@gmail.com>, Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>,
William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
"Bill Huey (hui)" <billh@gnuppy.monkey.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] CFS scheduler, -v12
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:01:11 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070518010111.GE2017@gnuppy.monkey.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070518001841.GA21140@gnuppy.monkey.org>
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 05:18:41PM -0700, Bill Huey wrote:
> On Sun, May 13, 2007 at 05:38:53PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > Even a simple 3D app like glxgears does a sys_sched_yield() for every
> > frame it generates (!) on certain 3D cards, which in essence punishes
> > any scheduler that implements sys_sched_yield() in a sane manner. This
> > interaction of CFS's yield implementation with this user-space bug could
> > be the main reason why some testers reported SD to be handling 3D games
> > better than CFS. (SD uses a yield implementation similar to the vanilla
> > scheduler.)
> >
> > So i've added a yield workaround to -v12, which makes it work similar to
> > how the vanilla scheduler and SD does it. (Xorg has been notified and
> > this bug should be fixed there too. This took some time to debug because
> > the 3D driver i'm using for testing does not use sys_sched_yield().) The
> > workaround is activated by default so -v12 should work 'out of the box'.
>
> This is an incorrect analysis. OpenGL has the ability to "yield" after
> every frame specifically for SGI IRIX (React/Pro) frame scheduler (driven
> by the system vertical retrace interrupt) so that it can free up CPU
> resources for other tasks to run. The problem here is that the yield
> behavior is treated generally instead of specifically to a particular
> proportion scheduler policy.
>
> The correct solution is for the app to use a directed yield and a policy
> that can directly support it so that OpenGL can guaratee a frame rate
> governed by CPU bandwidth allocated by the scheduler.
>
> Will is working on such a mechanism now.
Follow up:
http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi/0650/bks/SGI_Developer/books/REACT_PG/sgi_html/ch04.html
bill
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-05-18 1:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-05-13 15:38 [patch] CFS scheduler, -v12 Ingo Molnar
2007-05-16 2:04 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-16 8:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-16 23:42 ` Peter Williams
[not found] ` <20070516063625.GA9058@elte.hu>
2007-05-17 23:45 ` Peter Williams
[not found] ` <20070518071325.GB28702@elte.hu>
2007-05-18 13:11 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-18 13:26 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-19 13:27 ` Dmitry Adamushko
2007-05-20 1:41 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-21 8:29 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-21 8:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-21 12:08 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-22 16:48 ` Chris Friesen
2007-05-22 20:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-22 20:49 ` Chris Friesen
2007-05-21 15:25 ` Dmitry Adamushko
2007-05-21 23:51 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-22 4:47 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-22 12:03 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-24 7:43 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-24 16:45 ` Siddha, Suresh B
2007-05-24 23:23 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-29 20:45 ` Siddha, Suresh B
2007-05-29 23:54 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-30 0:50 ` Siddha, Suresh B
2007-05-30 2:18 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-30 4:42 ` Siddha, Suresh B
2007-05-30 6:28 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-31 1:49 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-22 11:52 ` Dmitry Adamushko
2007-05-23 0:10 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-18 0:18 ` Bill Huey
2007-05-18 1:01 ` Bill Huey [this message]
2007-05-18 4:13 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-18 7:31 ` Ingo Molnar
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