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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, M Macnair <mmacnair@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Seeding /dev/random not working
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:14:56 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070529141456.GC5840@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070529131501.GA9899@thunk.org>

Hi!

> > I have two embedded boards (one ARM, one PowerPC), running two
> > different versions of 2.6.  They have no hard drives, keyboards or
> > mice.  They each have a NIC, but I understand these make no
> > contribution to the entropy pool.
> > 
> > 	if [ -f $random_seed ]; then
> > 		cat $random_seed >/dev/urandom  # should seed the pool
> > 	fi
> > 	dd if=/dev/urandom of=$random_seed count=1 2>/dev/null # save some
> > data from urandom for next boot
> >
> > I have rebooted my boards many times, and after each boot I read the
> > contents of $random_seed.  Whilst it does not happen every time, the
> > contents of $random_seed are /often the same/.  To give you a feel:
> > rebooted 11 times, got a total of 3 different outputs.
> 
> Ok, so this is telling me a couple of things.  First of all, if you're
> only getting three outputs, it means that you don't have any
> peripherals feeding entropy into the system from the boot sequence.
> Without any hard drives, keyboards or mice, and a NIC whose device
> driver hasn't been configured to feed entropy, you're definitely
> hosed.

Can we get at least time-of-boot from rtc clock to the pool? We really
should not be getting identical outputs...

							Pavel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-05-29 14:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-29 11:53 Seeding /dev/random not working M Macnair
2007-05-29 13:15 ` Theodore Tso
2007-05-29 13:38   ` M Macnair
2007-05-29 14:14   ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2007-05-29 15:17     ` M Macnair
2007-05-29 15:31       ` Jesper Juhl
2007-05-29 16:30     ` Theodore Tso
2007-05-29 20:06     ` Folkert van Heusden
2007-05-29 17:46   ` Matt Mackall
2007-05-29 18:00     ` Matt Mackall
2007-05-29 19:23     ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-29 19:35       ` Matt Mackall
2007-05-29 16:58 ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-29 16:44   ` M Macnair
2007-05-29 20:23     ` Matt Mackall
2007-05-29 22:08       ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-29 21:44         ` Matt Mackall

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