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From: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>,
	Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>, Zach Brown <zach.brown@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Suparna Bhattacharya <suparna@in.ibm.com>,
	Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: Syslets, Threadlets, generic AIO support, v6
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:51:59 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070530085159.GC21528@2ka.mipt.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070530084252.GA15708@elte.hu>

On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 10:42:52AM +0200, Ingo Molnar (mingo@elte.hu) wrote:
> it is a serious flexibility issue that should not be ignored. The 
> unified fd space is a blessing on one hand because it's simple and 
> powerful, but it's also a curse because nested use of the fd space for 
> libraries is currently not possible. But it should be detached from any
> fundamental question of kevent vs. epoll. (By improving library use of
> file descriptors we'll improve the utility of all syscalls - by ducking
> to a memory based API we only solve that particular event based usage.)

There is another issue with file descriptors - userspace must dig into
kernel each time it wants to get a new set of events, while with memory
based approach it has them without doing so. After it has returned from
kernel and know that there are some evetns, kernel can add more of them
into the ring (if there is a place) and userspace will process them
withouth additional syscalls.
Although syscall overhead is very small, it does exist and should not be 
ignored in the design.

> 
> 	Ingo

-- 
	Evgeniy Polyakov

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-30  8:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-29 21:27 Syslets, Threadlets, generic AIO support, v6 Zach Brown
2007-05-29 21:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-29 22:49   ` Zach Brown
2007-05-29 22:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-29 23:09   ` Zach Brown
2007-05-29 23:20     ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30  1:11       ` Dave Jones
2007-05-30 17:08         ` Zach Brown
2007-05-30  7:26     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30  7:20   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30  7:31     ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30  8:42       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30  8:51         ` Evgeniy Polyakov [this message]
2007-05-30  9:05           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 15:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 15:39         ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 19:40         ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 19:55           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 20:00           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 20:21             ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 20:31             ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 20:44               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 21:53                 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 21:31               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 21:16             ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 21:27               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 21:47                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 22:06                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 21:48                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 22:01                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-31  6:13                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31  7:35                       ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-31  9:26                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31  9:02                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31 10:41                         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-31 10:50                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31  9:32                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31  9:34                         ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 22:09                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 21:51                 ` David M. Lloyd
2007-05-30 22:24                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-30 21:38               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-05-30 21:39               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 21:36             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-05-30 21:44               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 21:48                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 21:54                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-05-30 22:27             ` Matt Mackall
2007-05-30 22:38               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-30  8:32     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-05-30  8:54       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30  9:30         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-05-30  9:28     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-30 13:02       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 13:20         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 15:31       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 16:09         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 17:57           ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 19:05           ` Mark Lord
2007-05-30 19:10             ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 19:15             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 19:32               ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 20:07               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 20:31                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 20:46                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 19:52           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30  7:40 ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 16:55   ` Zach Brown
2007-05-30 17:33     ` Jens Axboe
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-05-31  8:15 Albert Cahalan
2007-05-31  9:50 ` Ingo Molnar

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