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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: Zach Brown <zach.brown@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>,
	Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Suparna Bhattacharya <suparna@in.ibm.com>,
	Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: Syslets, Threadlets, generic AIO support, v6
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:20:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070530132030.GA22330@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070530130237.GA19162@elte.hu>


* Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:

> epoll is very much is capable of doing it - but why bother if 
> something more flexible than a ring can be used and the performance 
> difference is negligible? (Read my other reply in this thread for 
> further points.)

in particular i'd like to (re-)stress this point:

 Thirdly, our main problem was not the structure of epoll, our main
 problem was that event APIs were not widely available, so applications
 couldnt go to a pure event based design - they always had to handle
 certain types of event domains specially, due to lack of coverage. The
 latest epoll patches largely address that. This was a huge barrier
 against adoption of epoll.

starting with putting limits into the design by going to over-smart data 
structures like rings is just stupid. Lets fix, enhance and speed up 
what we have now (epoll) so that it becomes ubiquitous, and _then_ we 
can extend epoll to maybe fill events into rings. We should have our 
priorities right and should stop rewriting the whole world, especially 
when it comes to user APIs. Right now we have _no_ event API with 
complete coverage, and that's far more of a problem than the actual 
micro-structure of the API.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-30 13:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-29 21:27 Syslets, Threadlets, generic AIO support, v6 Zach Brown
2007-05-29 21:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-29 22:49   ` Zach Brown
2007-05-29 22:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-29 23:09   ` Zach Brown
2007-05-29 23:20     ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30  1:11       ` Dave Jones
2007-05-30 17:08         ` Zach Brown
2007-05-30  7:26     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30  7:20   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30  7:31     ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30  8:42       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30  8:51         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-05-30  9:05           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 15:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 15:39         ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 19:40         ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 19:55           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 20:00           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 20:21             ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 20:31             ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 20:44               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 21:53                 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 21:31               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 21:16             ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 21:27               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 21:47                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 22:06                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 21:48                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 22:01                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-31  6:13                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31  7:35                       ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-31  9:26                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31  9:02                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31 10:41                         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-31 10:50                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31  9:32                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31  9:34                         ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 22:09                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 21:51                 ` David M. Lloyd
2007-05-30 22:24                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-30 21:38               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-05-30 21:39               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 21:36             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-05-30 21:44               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 21:48                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 21:54                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-05-30 22:27             ` Matt Mackall
2007-05-30 22:38               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-30  8:32     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-05-30  8:54       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30  9:30         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-05-30  9:28     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-30 13:02       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 13:20         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2007-05-30 15:31       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 16:09         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 17:57           ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 19:05           ` Mark Lord
2007-05-30 19:10             ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 19:15             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 19:32               ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 20:07               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 20:31                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 20:46                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 19:52           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30  7:40 ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 16:55   ` Zach Brown
2007-05-30 17:33     ` Jens Axboe
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-05-31  8:15 Albert Cahalan
2007-05-31  9:50 ` Ingo Molnar

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