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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Albert Cahalan <acahalan@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	jeff@garzik.org, zach.brown@oracle.com, arjan@infradead.org,
	hch@infradead.org, drepper@redhat.com, akpm@zip.com.au,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk
Subject: Re: Syslets, Threadlets, generic AIO support, v6
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:50:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070531095018.GA6307@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <787b0d920705310115n13b4dd3bk59e1072dea147724@mail.gmail.com>


* Albert Cahalan <acahalan@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ingo Molnar writes:
> 
> >looking over the list of our new generic APIs (see further below) i
> >think there are three important things that are needed for an API to
> >become widely used:
> >
> > 1) it should solve a real problem (ha ;-), it should be intuitive to
> >    humans and it should fit into existing things naturally.
> >
> > 2) it should be ubiquitous. (if it's about IO it should cover block IO,
> >    network IO, timers, signals and everything) Even if it might look
> >    silly in some of the cases, having complete, utter, no compromises,
> >    100% coverage for everything massively helps the uptake of an API,
> >    because it allows the user-space coder to pick just one paradigm
> >    that is closest to his application and stick to it and only to it.
> >
> > 3) it should be end-to-end supported by glibc.
> 
> 4) At least slightly portable.
> 
> Anything supported by any similar OS is already ahead, even if it 
> isn't the perfect API of our dreams. [...]

it might have been so a few years ago but it's changing slowly but 
surely - BSD is becoming more and more irrelevant. What matters mostly 
to app writers these days: "is it in most Linux distros" - and the key 
to that is upstream kernel support and glibc support. The days of BSD 
(and UNIX) are pretty much numbered. (I'm not against standardizing APIs 
in POSIX of course - the BSDs tend to follow the Linux APIs in that area 
with a few years lag.)

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-31  9:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-31  8:15 Syslets, Threadlets, generic AIO support, v6 Albert Cahalan
2007-05-31  9:50 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-05-29 21:27 Zach Brown
2007-05-29 21:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-29 22:49   ` Zach Brown
2007-05-29 22:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-29 23:09   ` Zach Brown
2007-05-29 23:20     ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30  1:11       ` Dave Jones
2007-05-30 17:08         ` Zach Brown
2007-05-30  7:26     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30  7:20   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30  7:31     ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30  8:42       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30  8:51         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-05-30  9:05           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 15:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 15:39         ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 19:40         ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 19:55           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 20:00           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 20:21             ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 20:31             ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 20:44               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 21:53                 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 21:31               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 21:16             ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 21:27               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 21:47                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 22:06                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 21:48                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 22:01                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-31  6:13                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31  7:35                       ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-31  9:26                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31  9:02                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31 10:41                         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-31 10:50                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31  9:32                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31  9:34                         ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 22:09                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 21:51                 ` David M. Lloyd
2007-05-30 22:24                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-30 21:38               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-05-30 21:39               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 21:36             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-05-30 21:44               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 21:48                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 21:54                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-05-30 22:27             ` Matt Mackall
2007-05-30 22:38               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-30  8:32     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-05-30  8:54       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30  9:30         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-05-30  9:28     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-30 13:02       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 13:20         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 15:31       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 16:09         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 17:57           ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 19:05           ` Mark Lord
2007-05-30 19:10             ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 19:15             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 19:32               ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 20:07               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 20:31                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 20:46                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 19:52           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30  7:40 ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 16:55   ` Zach Brown
2007-05-30 17:33     ` Jens Axboe

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