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From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cotte@de.ibm.com, hugh@veritas.com,
	neilb@suse.de, zanussi@us.ibm.com, hch@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sendfile removal
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:02:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070602150228.GI32105@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46604F0D.9070806@zytor.com>

On Fri, Jun 01 2007, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> > So there's a few things to take away from this:
> > 
> >  - regular file access MUST NOT return EAGAIN just because a page isn't 
> >    in the cache. Doing so is simply a bug. No ifs, buts or maybe's about 
> >    it!
> > 
> >    Busy-looping is NOT ACCEPTABLE!
> > 
> >  - you *could* make some alternative conventions:
> > 
> > 	(a) you could make O_NONBLOCK mean that you'll at least 
> > 	    guarantee that you *start* the IO, and while you never return 
> > 	    EAGAIN, you migth validly return a _partial_ result!
> > 
> > 	(b) variation on (a): it's ok to return EAGAIN if _you_ were the 
> > 	    one who started the IO during this particular time aroudn the 
> > 	    loop. But if you find a page that isn't up-to-date yet, and 
> > 	    you didn't start the IO, you *must* wait for it, so that you 
> > 	    end up returning EAGAIN atmost once! Exactly because 
> > 	    busy-looping is simply not acceptable behaviour!
> 
> (b) seems really ugly.  (a) is at least well-defined.  Either seems
> wrong, though.

I totally agree, b) would get nasty. And while a) isn't perfect by any
means, I do follow Linus' logic and agree it's probably the best (only?)
way to handle it.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-02 15:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-31 10:33 [PATCH] sendfile removal Jens Axboe
2007-05-31 10:47 ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-31 10:47 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-31 10:53   ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-01  4:09     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-01  5:41       ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-01  5:50         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-01  7:22           ` Eric Dumazet
2007-06-01 15:52             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-01 16:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-01 16:47                 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-06-01 16:53                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-02 15:02                   ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2007-06-02 15:01                 ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-02 15:40                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-02 16:35                     ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                     ` <20070603130507.GA11170@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-06-03 13:05                       ` Fengguang Wu
     [not found]                       ` <20070603142931.GA5916@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-06-03 14:29                         ` Fengguang Wu
     [not found]                         ` <20070604004647.GA8076@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-06-04  0:46                           ` Fengguang Wu
2007-06-04  8:05                           ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                             ` <20070604112214.GA7457@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-06-04 11:22                               ` Fengguang Wu
2007-06-01 16:22               ` Pádraig Brady
2007-05-31 10:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-31 11:05   ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-31 12:26     ` Neil Brown
2007-05-31 12:27       ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-01  2:44         ` [PATCH] sendfile removal (nfsd update) Neil Brown
2007-06-01  5:44           ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-01  8:01             ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-01  8:15     ` [PATCH] sendfile removal Jens Axboe
2007-05-31 11:04 ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-31 11:06   ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-31 15:33 ` Tom Zanussi
2007-05-31 19:01   ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-31 17:06 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-05-31 17:31   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-31 19:03   ` Jens Axboe

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