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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, hch@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [patch 00/14] Page cache cleanup in anticipation of Large Blocksize support
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:04:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070614150417.c73fb6b9.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706141436030.1797@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> > We want the 100% case.
> 
> Yes that is what we intend to do. Universal support for larger blocksize. 
> I.e. your desktop filesystem will use 64k page size and server platforms 
> likely much larger.

With 64k pagesize the amount of memory required to hold a kernel tree (say)
will go from 270MB to 1400MB.   This is not an optimisation.

Several 64k pagesize people have already spent time looking at various
tail-packing schemes to get around this serious problem.  And that's on
_server_ class machines.  Large ones.  I don't think
laptop/desktop/samll-server machines would want to go anywhere near this.

> fsck times etc etc are becoming an issue for desktop 
> systems

I don't see what fsck has to do with it.

fsck is single-threaded (hence no locking issues) and operates against the
blockdev pagecache and does a _lot_ of small reads (indirect blocks,
especially).  If the memory consumption for each 4k read jumps to 64k, fsck
is likely to slow down due to performing a lot more additional IO and due
to entering page reclaim much earlier.


  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-14 22:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-14 19:38 [patch 00/14] Page cache cleanup in anticipation of Large Blocksize support clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 01/14] Define functions for page cache handling clameter
2007-06-14 19:56   ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-06-14 19:58     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-14 20:07       ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 02/14] Pagecache zeroing: zero_user_segment, zero_user_segments and zero_user clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 03/14] Use page_cache_xx function in mm/filemap.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 04/14] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/page-writeback.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 05/14] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/truncate.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 06/14] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/rmap.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 07/14] Use page_cache_xx in mm/filemap_xip.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 08/14] Use page_cache_xx in mm/migrate.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 09/14] Use page_cache_xx in fs/libfs.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 10/14] Use page_cache_xx in fs/sync clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 11/14] Use page_cache_xx in fs/buffer.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 12/14] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/mpage.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 13/14] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/fadvise.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 14/14] Use page_cache_xx in fs/splice.c clameter
2007-06-14 20:06 ` [patch 00/14] Page cache cleanup in anticipation of Large Blocksize support Andrew Morton
2007-06-14 21:07   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-14 21:25     ` Dave McCracken
2007-06-14 21:20   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-14 21:32     ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-14 21:37       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-14 22:04         ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-06-14 22:22           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-14 22:49             ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-15  0:45               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-15  1:40                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-15  2:04                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-15  2:23                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-15  2:37                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-15  9:03                       ` David Chinner
2007-06-14 23:30           ` David Chinner
2007-06-14 23:41             ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-15  0:29               ` David Chinner
2007-06-15 15:05           ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-06-17  1:25       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-17  5:02         ` Matt Mackall
2007-06-18  2:08           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-18  3:00             ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-18  4:50             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-06-14 23:54   ` David Chinner
2007-07-02 18:16   ` Badari Pulavarty

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