From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
matthew.wilcox@hp.com, kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/6] Convert all tasklets to workqueues
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:09:48 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070622070948.GA21291@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070622040014.234651401@goodmis.org>
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 12:00:14AM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> The most part, tasklets today are not used for time critical functions.
> Running tasklets in thread context is not harmful to performance of
> the overall system. But running them in interrupt context is, since
> they increase the overall latency for high priority tasks.
I think we probably want some numbers, at least for tasklets used in
potentially performance critical code.
> Even in Matthew's paper, he says that work queues have replaced tasklets.
> But this is not truly the case. Tasklets are common and plentiful.
> But to go and replace each driver that uses a tasklet with a work queue
> would be very painful.
>
> I've developed this way to replace all tasklets with work queues without
> having to change all the drivers that use them. I created an API that
> uses the tasklet API as a wrapper to a work queue. This API doesn't need
> to be permanent. It shows 1) that work queues can replace tasklets, and
> 2) we can remove a duplicate functionality from the kernel. This API
> only needs to be around until we removed all uses of tasklets from
> all drivers.
I don't like this wrapping at all. What you're doing is a tradeoff to
do less work today in exchange for more maintaince overhead and more crufty
code in the future. So while I sympathize a lot with trying to get rid
of tasklets I'd rather prefer to convert individual drivers over until
all users are gone. It's not exactly a very complicated conversion either.
> 6) This is the magic to make tasklets into work queues. It allows for
> the kernel to be configured either with the normal tasklets, as it is
> today, or with the tasklets-as-work-queues.
And this is something that might be fine for benchmarking, but not something
we should put in. Keeping two wildly different implementation of core
functionality with very different behaviour around is quite bad. Better
kill tasklets once for all.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-06-22 7:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-06-22 4:00 [RFC PATCH 0/6] Convert all tasklets to workqueues Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] Convert the RCU tasklet into a softirq Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 7:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 7:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 12:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 12:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] Split out tasklets from softirq.c Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 7:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 12:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 13:45 ` Akinobu Mita
2007-06-22 13:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] Add a tasklet is-scheduled API Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] Make DRM use the tasklet is-sched API Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 6:36 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 6:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-06-22 7:08 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 12:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 15:36 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 23:28 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 16:10 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-22 16:56 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 18:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 23:38 ` Dave Airlie
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] Move tasklet.h to tasklet_softirq.h Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] Convert tasklets to work queues Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 7:06 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 13:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 15:52 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-22 16:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-23 11:15 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-22 7:09 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2007-06-22 7:51 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] Convert all tasklets to workqueues Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 7:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 11:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 12:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 12:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 12:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 13:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 14:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 13:13 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-22 13:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 13:41 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-22 14:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 13:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 14:25 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-22 14:42 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 14:43 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-22 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-22 17:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 18:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 20:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 21:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 21:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 21:13 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-06-22 21:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-22 21:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 22:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 22:43 ` Roland Dreier
2007-06-22 22:57 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-22 22:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-23 6:23 ` Dave Airlie
2007-06-24 15:16 ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-06-24 15:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 16:50 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-06-25 17:06 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 20:50 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-06-25 21:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 19:52 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-06-26 0:00 ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-06-26 0:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 18:48 ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-06-25 19:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 20:07 ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-06-25 20:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 21:08 ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-06-25 21:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-25 23:36 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-26 0:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-26 1:46 ` Dan Williams
2007-06-26 2:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-26 2:12 ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 12:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 16:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-28 18:02 ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 20:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 21:23 ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 21:40 ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 22:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 22:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 5:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28 9:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-28 14:38 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-28 15:23 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28 15:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 16:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-28 17:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28 17:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28 18:19 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-28 20:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-29 11:34 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 11:48 ` Duncan Sands
2007-06-29 13:36 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 14:01 ` Duncan Sands
2007-06-29 16:34 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 12:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-29 13:25 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 13:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-29 15:23 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 13:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-29 14:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-29 14:26 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-29 19:04 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 14:27 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 15:51 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-29 16:21 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 16:52 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-29 17:09 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-30 11:25 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-28 15:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-22 21:53 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:09 ` david
2007-06-22 22:15 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 23:28 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-23 5:14 ` Stephen Hemminger
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-06-26 13:03 Clemens Ladisch
2007-06-26 13:15 ` Takashi Iwai
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