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From: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:03:21 +0200
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Am Mittwoch, 4. Juli 2007 schrieb Miklos Szeredi:
> > > And we won't know if drivers are OK until we remove the freezer,
> > > catch-22.
> > 
> > I disagree.  We can learn that by auditing the drivers.
> 
> In theory, yes.  But it scales far worse than letting everyone
> experiment/report/fix problems as they crop up.

You will open many but small races. This would be very painfull
to debug.

	Regards
		Oliver