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From: Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	pm list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH -mm] Freezer: Handle uninterruptible tasks
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:13:42 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200707071913.43482.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070707075018.GB2638@elf.ucw.cz>

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Hi.

On Saturday 07 July 2007 17:50:18 Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> > The main limitation of the freezer is that it cannot handle 
uninterruptible
> > tasks.  Namely, if there are uninterruptible tasks in the system, the 
freezer
> > returns an error, which makes it impossible to suspend the system.
> ...
> > Unfortunately, this mechanism also leads to severe limitations, such as 
that it
> > makes the freezer unable to handle systems using FUSE in a reliable way.
> > 
> > This patch makes the freezer skip uninterruptible user space tasks (ie. 
such
> > that have an mm of their own) when counting the tasks to be frozen.  As a
> > result, these tasks have the TIF_FREEZE and TIF_SIGPENDING flags set, but 
the
> > freezer doesn't wait for them to enter the refrigerator.  Nevertheless, 
they
> > will enter the refrigerator as soon as they change their state.
> 
> I don't think we can do that. I suspect rename looks like:
> 
> 	write directory entry in source
> A)	(uninterruptible wait for write)
> 	write directory entry in destination
> 	(uninterruptible wait for write)
> 	write something else
> 
> If we freeze some task in place "A)", we'll write to the disk when the
> directory write is finished :-(.

Renaming is a single syscall, so won't the process get frozen when the syscall 
finishes? The sys_sync will also help here - it will ensure the rename gets 
flushed before we start on freezing kernel threads.

Perhaps you've just found more logic for keeping the sys_sync there?

Regards,

Nigel
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-07  9:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-06  8:12 [RFC][PATCH -mm] Freezer: Handle uninterruptible tasks Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 15:01 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-07 23:08   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 12:09     ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 13:55       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-09  4:21       ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-09 14:45         ` Alan Stern
2007-07-09 15:36           ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-08 18:37     ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-07  7:50 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-07  9:13   ` Nigel Cunningham [this message]
2007-07-07 11:31     ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 20:44       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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2007-07-06 20:26 Oleg Nesterov
2007-07-06 22:38 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 23:00   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-07 23:08     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 22:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 23:46   ` Nigel Cunningham

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