From: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>,
Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:52:02 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200707090852.03429.oliver@neukum.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1183929708.3388.306.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Am Sonntag, 8. Juli 2007 schrieb Benjamin Herrenschmidt:
> Another issue that's been a problem forever with suspend is the
> synchronous request_firmware interface. Lots of drivers do that in
> resume() which will generally not work.
Unfortunately yes they do. We now have the notifier chains, which
can be used. Firmware, especially if it is large, must be requested
while the system is still fully functional and paging will work.
Asynchronocity will not help much because the devices must work
after resumingand delaying that will not help with respect to needing
devices to get at the firmware.
Regards
Oliver
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-07-09 6:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 387+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-07-03 4:29 [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 4:54 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-03 5:21 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 5:24 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-03 5:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 6:08 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-03 7:19 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 7:44 ` [linux-pm] " Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 10:47 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 11:07 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 11:22 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 11:27 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 11:45 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 11:50 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 0:02 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-03 11:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 11:55 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 23:40 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 7:02 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-04 8:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 8:26 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-04 10:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 12:58 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 15:46 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 11:23 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-03 11:42 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 23:11 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 8:11 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 8:27 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 8:39 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 9:21 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 10:08 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 10:46 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 10:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 10:59 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 11:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 14:44 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 15:58 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 4:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 15:04 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 0:28 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-03 11:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 11:46 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 13:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 12:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 14:21 ` [linux-pm] " Johannes Berg
2007-07-03 14:50 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 14:59 ` Johannes Berg
2007-07-03 15:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 17:38 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 20:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 20:21 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 4:59 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 14:57 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 0:23 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 6:58 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 8:17 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 8:24 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 8:41 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 8:48 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 8:58 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 10:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 10:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 11:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 11:54 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 13:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 13:28 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 13:46 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:23 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:46 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-05 15:00 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 16:06 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-06 5:45 ` Daniel Pittman
2007-07-05 14:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 22:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 7:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 7:30 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 12:35 ` Benny Amorsen
2007-07-06 12:45 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 9:18 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 9:31 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 11:54 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 12:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 13:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 19:38 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 19:44 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 20:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 20:38 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 21:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 20:34 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 20:46 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 20:49 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 20:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 21:06 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 21:15 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 21:31 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 21:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 21:15 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 21:26 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 21:37 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 7:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 8:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 9:31 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 9:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-07 2:46 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 2:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 20:48 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 0:50 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-05 23:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 3:59 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-06 7:32 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-07 12:17 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 20:42 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 23:33 ` malicious filesystems (was Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway) Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 7:21 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 8:15 ` Off topically about Re: malicious filesystems (was " Oleg Verych
2007-07-08 12:37 ` malicious filesystems (was Re: [linux-pm] " Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 13:58 ` Al Viro
2007-07-08 16:23 ` David Brownell
2007-07-08 14:23 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 18:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 18:28 ` Al Viro
2007-07-08 19:50 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 21:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-09 9:28 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-09 9:36 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 9:40 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 14:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-09 16:19 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-12 15:31 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-12 21:56 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-12 23:13 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 11:58 ` [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 12:24 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 13:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 13:50 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 14:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 22:04 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-06 7:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 12:19 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-06 7:16 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:23 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 22:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 7:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 15:13 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 7:19 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-08 7:35 ` [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway (philosophical) Oleg Verych
2007-07-07 7:56 ` [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Pavel Machek
2007-07-04 3:55 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 15:12 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 0:35 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 9:15 ` removing refrigerator does not help with s2ram vs. fuse deadlocks (was Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway) Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 13:57 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:26 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:39 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 15:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 15:03 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 15:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 15:32 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 11:50 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 20:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 11:49 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 12:08 ` problem 1 (was Re: removing refrigerator does not help with s2ram vs. fuse deadlocks (was Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway)) Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 20:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:42 ` [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Alan Stern
2007-07-03 14:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 14:48 ` Johannes Berg
2007-07-03 21:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 21:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 22:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 3:29 ` [linux-pm] " Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 10:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 10:48 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 11:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 11:24 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 14:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 0:15 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 11:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-07 12:09 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-04 11:25 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 22:19 ` The big suspend mess Adrian Bunk
2007-07-05 0:27 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 0:53 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 9:32 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 10:29 ` Gabriel C
2007-07-05 10:32 ` Fabio Comolli
2007-07-05 1:22 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-05 12:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:14 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2007-07-05 9:30 ` [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 22:46 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-05 23:13 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-05 23:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-05 23:35 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 1:19 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-06 1:37 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 3:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 7:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 9:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 14:38 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-07 3:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 11:49 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 0:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 16:17 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 0:42 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 2:24 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 4:39 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 18:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 20:22 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 21:08 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 21:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 6:52 ` Oliver Neukum [this message]
2007-07-09 9:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 11:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 18:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 18:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 15:42 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-07 0:43 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-07 2:59 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-07 4:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 17:19 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 0:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 2:53 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 5:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 5:19 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 20:17 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 19:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 21:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 21:07 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 21:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 21:54 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 22:13 ` hibernation/snapshot design [was Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway] Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 22:23 ` david
2007-07-08 23:00 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 23:20 ` david
2007-07-08 23:28 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 23:45 ` david
2007-07-09 15:23 ` hibernation/snapshot design Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-08 23:01 ` hibernation/snapshot design [was Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway] Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 23:03 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-10 1:33 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-10 1:56 ` [linux-pm] " Paul Mackerras
2007-07-08 20:16 ` [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Alan Stern
2007-07-08 21:01 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 21:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 22:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-09 0:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 0:57 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-09 1:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 6:47 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 9:13 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 9:23 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 9:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 14:57 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-09 10:02 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-09 10:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 16:03 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 21:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 20:55 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-06 3:54 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 4:03 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 4:41 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 5:25 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 5:01 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-06 5:53 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-10 2:07 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-10 3:03 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-05 0:03 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 0:46 ` [linux-pm] " Paul Mackerras
2007-07-03 5:49 ` [linux-pm] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 13:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 5:51 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 13:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 15:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 17:20 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 20:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 22:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 23:39 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 6:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 18:26 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 19:13 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 19:32 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 19:47 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 20:02 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2007-07-03 20:19 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 21:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 20:45 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 21:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
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2007-07-03 21:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 22:04 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 23:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-04 8:10 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 23:45 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 12:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 12:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-05 13:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 13:36 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-05 13:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 21:49 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 7:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 7:39 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-06 7:51 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 9:09 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-06 9:16 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 9:33 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 21:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 19:27 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-03 21:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:16 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 6:13 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 6:51 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 12:13 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 13:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 7:37 ` Romano Giannetti
2007-07-03 8:20 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 13:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 12:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-09 13:29 ` sysrq-t dumps of s2ram/fuse deadlock (was Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway) Pavel Machek
2007-07-11 13:28 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-11 13:45 ` sysrq-t dumps of s2ram/fuse deadlock Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-12 9:17 ` sysrq-t dumps of s2ram/fuse deadlock (was Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway) Pavel Machek
2007-07-03 16:03 ` [linux-pm] [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Alan Stern
2007-07-03 16:05 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 16:57 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 17:02 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 19:33 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 19:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 19:54 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 20:23 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 21:10 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 21:12 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 21:16 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 21:20 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 21:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:36 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 21:47 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 22:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 3:38 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 10:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 10:58 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 11:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 11:34 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 14:12 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-07-04 15:38 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 19:07 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 11:51 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-04 14:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 14:45 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-04 15:03 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 15:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 0:29 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 12:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 15:13 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-04 15:42 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 19:25 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-04 21:36 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 8:37 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 12:39 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 12:39 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 16:10 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-05 17:45 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 0:43 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 12:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 0:36 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 12:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 12:50 ` Johannes Berg
2007-07-05 13:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:25 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 17:42 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 20:43 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 12:41 ` Theodore Tso
2007-07-04 14:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 22:21 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 22:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-04 14:38 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 14:58 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-04 15:02 ` Oliver Neukum
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