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From: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: "Kunai, Takashi" <kunai@linux-foundation.jp>,
	holzheu@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	lf_kernel_messages@linux-foundation.org, mtk-manpages@gmx.net,
	jack@suse.cz, randy.dunlap@oracle.com, gregkh@suse.de,
	pavel@ucw.cz, tim.bird@am.sony.com, gh@us.ibm.com,
	arjan@infradead.org, sam@ravnborg.org, jengelh@computergmbh.de,
	joe@perches.com, auke-jan.h.kok@intel.com, hansendc@us.ibm.com,
	davem@davemloft.net, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,
	kenistoj@us.ibm.com, schwidefsky@de.ibm.com,
	heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:48:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200707091248.24994.rob@landley.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4691C95F.7080502@zytor.com>

In regard to translating kernel messages:

On Monday 09 July 2007 01:36:31 H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Kunai, Takashi wrote:
> > (1) Your kernel development proposal will be greatly supported by
> > Japanese vendor community. At the same time, it needs support from the
> > kernel communities, as well.
>
> There is a very strong reason for the kernel community to NOT support
> this: it makes it much harder to deal with bug reports.

Agreed.

There's a proposal in play for translations of documentation, and to 
recruit "language maintainers" (which is an idea I see that Matt Mackall came 
up with before I did).

A language maintainer is somebody who can accept a patch in language X, 
translate its description to post on the appropriate english-only list with a 
cc: to the appropriate maintainer(s), and translate questions and reviews 
back and forth for the original author until the patch can be merged.  (This 
means that documentation translations don't result in a stream of unmergeable 
patches.)

As for the documentation translations themselves, I note that Eric Raymond 
dissuaded me from actually hosting translations of kernel documentation on 
http://kernel.org/doc due to his experience with translations of his own 
writings.  If he hosts the translations on his website, they never get 
updated again.  But if he makes the contributor host them on their own 
website, then they sometimes get updated.

For my part, I can't _tell_ when a given translation is out of date because I 
can't read it, and I certainly can't update it.  So I agree with Eric and I'm 
linking to sites hosting kernel documentation in other languages rather than 
hosting them myself.  I've got a good link to a Japanese site, need to ping 
the contributors of the chinese documentation and see if they have a site for 
it...

I await hearing back from Satoru Ueda who might have a lead on a potential 
Japanese maintainer, probably after some event in Japan (a "Jamboree") in a 
week or two...

Rob
-- 
"One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000 lines of code."
  - Ken Thompson.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-09 16:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 133+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-13 15:06 [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages holzheu
2007-06-13 16:37 ` Dave Hansen
2007-06-13 17:11   ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-06-13 17:42   ` holzheu
2007-06-13 16:50 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-06-13 18:09   ` Rob Landley
2007-06-13 18:11   ` holzheu
2007-06-14  8:47     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-06-15  8:49   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-13 17:16 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-06-13 17:46   ` holzheu
2007-06-13 17:51 ` Greg KH
2007-06-13 18:18   ` holzheu
2007-06-13 18:32     ` Greg KH
2007-06-13 18:49       ` Dave Hansen
2007-06-13 18:49       ` Kok, Auke
2007-06-14  8:17       ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-06-13 19:04     ` Joe Perches
2007-06-14  2:54       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-06-14  7:05         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-15  8:51       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-13 18:15 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-14  8:31   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-06-14  9:41   ` Jan Kara
2007-06-14 10:38     ` holzheu
2007-06-14 11:47       ` holzheu
2007-06-14 12:26         ` Jan Kara
2007-06-14 15:22           ` holzheu
2007-06-15 18:42       ` Gerrit Huizenga
2007-06-15 18:51         ` Randy Dunlap
2007-06-15 19:27           ` Gerrit Huizenga
2007-06-15 20:01           ` Greg KH
2007-06-18 12:55         ` holzheu
2007-06-18 13:12           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-18 13:33             ` Jan Kara
2007-06-18 13:53             ` holzheu
2007-06-19  1:36               ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-19  8:51                 ` holzheu
2007-06-19 19:24                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-19 11:31                 ` holzheu
2007-06-19  5:41           ` [Lf_kernel_messages] " Kunai, Takashi
2007-06-18 13:11         ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-06-18 15:35           ` Randy Dunlap
2007-06-19  0:13         ` Tim Bird
2007-06-19  3:52           ` Gerrit Huizenga
2007-06-15 12:40     ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-18 13:42       ` holzheu
2007-06-18 14:02         ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-25 13:48   ` Documentation of kernel messages (Summary) Michael Holzheu
2007-06-25 15:44     ` Rob Landley
2007-06-25 18:05       ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-06-27 15:11       ` Michael Holzheu
2007-07-09  5:15         ` Kunai, Takashi
2007-07-09  5:36           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-09 16:48             ` Rob Landley [this message]
2007-07-09 17:18               ` Gerrit Huizenga
2007-07-10 16:12                 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-11 12:15                   ` Michael Holzheu
2007-07-11 14:26                   ` Li Yang
2007-07-11 18:13                     ` Rob Landley
2007-07-11 21:32                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-07-13 10:53                         ` Alan Cox
2007-07-13 12:49                           ` Li Yang
2007-07-13 13:43                             ` Theodore Tso
2007-07-13 13:25                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-07-13 21:10                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-13 18:05                           ` Rob Landley
2007-07-14  3:54                             ` Randy Dunlap
2007-07-15  1:56                               ` Rob Landley
2007-07-15 16:28                                 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-07-16 19:53                                   ` Rob Landley
2007-08-03 18:11                                     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-08-03 19:32                                       ` Rob Landley
2007-08-04  3:50                                         ` Greg KH
2007-08-04 19:02                                           ` Rob Landley
2007-08-04  3:52                                         ` Greg KH
2007-08-04 18:54                                           ` Rob Landley
2007-08-04 20:04                                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-06 15:50                                               ` Rob Landley
2007-07-11 21:53                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-12 16:56                         ` Rob Landley
2007-07-12 13:53                       ` Li Yang-r58472
2007-07-12 16:05                         ` [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer Rob Landley
2007-07-12 19:52                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-07-12 20:02                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-13  7:42                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-07-13 16:06                             ` Rob Landley
2007-07-13 12:43                           ` Li Yang
2007-07-13 17:52                             ` Rob Landley
2007-07-15 14:42                               ` Li Yang
2007-07-15 18:12                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-15 18:50                                   ` Alan Cox
2007-07-15 19:11                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-15 20:25                                       ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-16  4:40                                     ` Ganesan Rajagopal
2007-07-16 21:43                                       ` Alan Cox
2007-07-17  7:19                                         ` Ganesan Rajagopal
2007-07-15 18:53                                   ` Li Yang
2007-07-15 20:25                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-07-16  9:17                                   ` Dr. Keith G. Bowden
2007-07-16  2:49                                 ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-16  3:03                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-17 16:24                                   ` Li Yang
2007-07-17 21:06                                     ` Rob Landley
2007-07-12 16:41                         ` Documentation of kernel messages (Summary) Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-12 17:35                         ` Rob Landley
2007-07-13  2:54                           ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-13 17:12                             ` Rob Landley
2007-07-14  1:46                               ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-15  2:12                                 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-15 16:46                                   ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-17 16:06                                     ` Rob Landley
2007-07-17 23:30                                       ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-13 11:54                           ` Li Yang
2007-07-15 20:30                             ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-09 18:33               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-10 16:25                 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-10 18:54                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-10 19:53                     ` Rob Landley
2007-07-17  0:31                   ` Tim Bird
2007-07-17  1:17                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-17 16:42                       ` Rob Landley
2007-07-17 16:29                     ` Rob Landley
2007-07-10  7:59               ` Li Yang-r58472
2007-07-10  6:38             ` Dave Young
2007-07-09  7:01           ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 22:59             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-10  6:15               ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 18:10       ` [Lf_kernel_messages] " Theodore Tso
2007-07-09 22:12         ` Alan Cox
2007-07-10 16:50         ` Rob Landley
2007-06-13 18:23 ` [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages David Miller
2007-06-13 18:27   ` holzheu

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