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From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@vger.kernel.org,
	suresh.b.siddha@intel.com, corey.d.gough@intel.com,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Denis Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>,
	Erik Andersen <andersen@codepoet.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 09/10] Remove the SLOB allocator for 2.6.23
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:12:26 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070710231226.GW11115@waste.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707101503110.5490@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 03:09:06PM -0700, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Nick Piggin wrote:
> 
> > But last time this discussion came up, IIRC you ended up handwaving
> > about all the ways in which SLOB was broken but didn't actually come
> > up with any real problems. Matt seemed willing to add those counters
> > or whatever it was if/when doing so solved a real problem. And remember
> > that SLOB doesn't have to have feature parity with SLUB, so long as it
> > implements the slab API such that the kernel *works*.
> 
> No it does not have to have feature parity. And yes we identified areas in 
> which SLOB may cause problems due to not implementing things (f.e. 
> suspend resume).

Please remind me what these things are. Suspend and hibernate work
fine here.

> The counters are still missing and thus core development 
> cannot rely on those being there.

None of the VM makes real use of the SLAB counters. Nor will they ever
make real use of them because the counters are not usefully defined.
In other words, reclaimable is a lie. If SLAB claims there's 1M of
reclaimable memory, the actual amount may more often than not be zero
because we already tried to shrink the SLAB.

As I've said before, if you come up with a real use for these numbers,
I will sacrifice the appropriate number of puppies to support it in
SLOB. But I'd rather not crush any puppies here prematurely.

-- 
Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-10 23:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-08  3:49 [patch 00/10] [RFC] SLUB patches for more functionality, performance and maintenance Christoph Lameter
2007-07-08  3:49 ` [patch 01/10] SLUB: Direct pass through of page size or higher kmalloc requests Christoph Lameter
2007-07-08  3:49 ` [patch 02/10] SLUB: Avoid page struct cacheline bouncing due to remote frees to cpu slab Christoph Lameter
2007-07-08  3:49 ` [patch 03/10] SLUB: Do not use page->mapping Christoph Lameter
2007-07-08  3:49 ` [patch 04/10] SLUB: Move page->offset to kmem_cache_cpu->offset Christoph Lameter
2007-07-08  3:49 ` [patch 05/10] SLUB: Avoid touching page struct when freeing to per cpu slab Christoph Lameter
2007-07-08  3:49 ` [patch 06/10] SLUB: Place kmem_cache_cpu structures in a NUMA aware way Christoph Lameter
2007-07-08  3:49 ` [patch 07/10] SLUB: Optimize cacheline use for zeroing Christoph Lameter
2007-07-08  3:50 ` [patch 08/10] SLUB: Single atomic instruction alloc/free using cmpxchg Christoph Lameter
2007-07-08  3:50 ` [patch 09/10] Remove the SLOB allocator for 2.6.23 Christoph Lameter
2007-07-08  7:51   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-08  9:43     ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-08  9:54       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-08 10:23         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-08 10:42           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-08 18:02     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-09  2:57       ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-09 11:04         ` Pekka Enberg
2007-07-09 11:16           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-09 12:47             ` Pekka Enberg
2007-07-09 13:46             ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-07-09 16:08           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-10  8:17             ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-07-10  8:27               ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-10  9:31                 ` Pekka Enberg
2007-07-10 10:09                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-10 12:02                   ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-10 12:57                     ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-07-10 22:12                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-10 22:40                       ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-10 22:50                         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-09 16:06         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-09 16:51           ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-09 17:26             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-09 18:00               ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-10  1:43               ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-10  1:56                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-10  2:02                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-10  2:11                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-10  7:09                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-10 22:09                         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-10 23:12                           ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2007-07-10  8:32                       ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-10  9:01                         ` Håvard Skinnemoen
2007-07-10  9:11                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-10  9:21                             ` Håvard Skinnemoen
2007-07-11  1:37                         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-11  2:06                           ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-11 18:06                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-11 18:25                               ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-07-11 18:33                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-11 18:36                                   ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-07-12  0:33                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-09 23:09             ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-10  1:41           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-10  1:51             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-10  1:58               ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-10  6:22                 ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-10  7:03                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-10  2:32               ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-09 21:57       ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-09 12:31     ` Matthieu CASTET
2007-07-09 16:00     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-09 20:52   ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-08  3:50 ` [patch 10/10] Remove slab in 2.6.24 Christoph Lameter
2007-07-08  4:37 ` [patch 00/10] [RFC] SLUB patches for more functionality, performance and maintenance David Miller
2007-07-09 15:45   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-09 19:43     ` David Miller
2007-07-09 21:21       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-08 11:20 ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-09 15:50   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-09 15:59     ` Martin Bligh
2007-07-09 18:11       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-09 21:00         ` Martin Bligh
2007-07-09 21:44           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-09 21:55             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-09 22:58               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-09 23:08                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-10  5:16                   ` [PATCH] x86_64 - Use non locked version for local_cmpxchg() Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-10 20:46                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-10  0:55                 ` [patch 00/10] [RFC] SLUB patches for more functionality, performance and maintenance Christoph Lameter
2007-07-10  8:27                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-10 18:38                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-10 20:59                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-08-13 22:18                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-08-13 22:28                     ` Christoph Lameter

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