From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, nfsv4@linux-nfs.org,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, cmm@us.ibm.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [EXT4 set 4][PATCH 1/5] i_version:64 bit inode version
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:26:23 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070711172623.GE4138@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18068.19667.942363.686858@notabene.brown>
On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 01:21:55PM +1000, Neil Brown wrote:
> And just by-the-way, the server doesn't really have the option of not
> sending the attribute. If i_version isn't defined, it has to fake
> something using mtime, and hope that is good enough.
ctime, actually--the change attribute is also supposed to be updated on
attribute updates.
> Alternately we could mandate that i_version is always kept up-to-date
> and if a filesystem doesn't have anything to load from storage, it
> just sets it to the current time in nanoseconds.
>
> That would mean that a client would need to flush it's cache whenever
> the inode fell out of cache on the server, but I don't think we can
> reliably do better than that.
>
> I think I like that approach.
>
> So my vote is to increment i_version in common code every time any
> change is made to the file, and alloc_inode should initialise it to
> current time, which might be changed by the filesystem before it calls
> unlock_new_inode.
So the client would be invalidating its cache more often than necessary,
rather than failing to invalidate it when it should. I agree that
that's probably the better tradeoff, although I wish I had a better idea
of the downside. I don't know, for example, whether users might see
unpleasant results if every client has to reread its cached data on a
reboot.
The currently proposed change--just providing a model change attribute
implementation for ext4 and leaving other filesystems untouched--is a
more conservative step.
So I'm inclined to just do this ext4 thing first, and then look into
further change attribute experiments next time around....
--b.
prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-07-11 17:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-07-01 7:37 [EXT4 set 4][PATCH 1/5] i_version:64 bit inode version Mingming Cao
2007-07-02 14:58 ` Mingming Cao
2007-07-03 14:24 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-07-03 21:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-07-03 22:15 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-07-03 23:32 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-07-06 13:51 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-07-10 23:30 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-10 22:09 ` Mingming Cao
2007-07-11 1:22 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-11 0:19 ` Mingming Cao
2007-07-11 4:22 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-11 2:27 ` Mingming Cao
2007-07-11 16:57 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-07-11 3:21 ` Neil Brown
2007-07-11 2:09 ` Mingming Cao
2007-07-11 5:17 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-11 3:18 ` Mingming Cao
2007-07-11 6:35 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-11 3:34 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-07-11 11:41 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-07-11 5:05 ` Neil Brown
2007-07-11 5:22 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-11 14:28 ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-07-11 20:04 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-07-12 4:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-07-11 17:26 ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
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