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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, nfsv4@linux-nfs.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, cmm@us.ibm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [EXT4 set 4][PATCH 1/5] i_version:64 bit inode version
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:26:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070711172623.GE4138@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18068.19667.942363.686858@notabene.brown>

On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 01:21:55PM +1000, Neil Brown wrote:
> And just by-the-way, the server doesn't really have the option of not
> sending the attribute.  If i_version isn't defined, it has to fake
> something using mtime, and hope that is good enough.

ctime, actually--the change attribute is also supposed to be updated on
attribute updates.

> Alternately we could mandate that i_version is always kept up-to-date
> and if a filesystem doesn't have anything to load from storage, it
> just sets it to the current time in nanoseconds.
> 
> That would mean that a client would need to flush it's cache whenever
> the inode fell out of cache on the server, but I don't think we can
> reliably do better than that.
> 
> I think I like that approach.
> 
> So my vote is to increment i_version in common code every time any
> change is made to the file, and alloc_inode should initialise it to
> current time, which might be changed by the filesystem before it calls
> unlock_new_inode. 

So the client would be invalidating its cache more often than necessary,
rather than failing to invalidate it when it should.  I agree that
that's probably the better tradeoff, although I wish I had a better idea
of the downside.  I don't know, for example, whether users might see
unpleasant results if every client has to reread its cached data on a
reboot.

The currently proposed change--just providing a model change attribute
implementation for ext4 and leaving other filesystems untouched--is a
more conservative step.

So I'm inclined to just do this ext4 thing first, and then look into
further change attribute experiments next time around....

--b.

      parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-11 17:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-01  7:37 [EXT4 set 4][PATCH 1/5] i_version:64 bit inode version Mingming Cao
2007-07-02 14:58 ` Mingming Cao
2007-07-03 14:24   ` Trond Myklebust
2007-07-03 21:56     ` Andreas Dilger
2007-07-03 22:15   ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-07-03 23:32     ` Andreas Dilger
2007-07-06 13:51       ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-07-10 23:30 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-10 22:09   ` Mingming Cao
2007-07-11  1:22     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-11  0:19       ` Mingming Cao
2007-07-11  4:22         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-11  2:27           ` Mingming Cao
2007-07-11 16:57         ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-07-11  3:21       ` Neil Brown
2007-07-11  2:09         ` Mingming Cao
2007-07-11  5:17           ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-11  3:18             ` Mingming Cao
2007-07-11  6:35               ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-11  3:34         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-07-11 11:41           ` Andreas Dilger
2007-07-11  5:05         ` Neil Brown
2007-07-11  5:22           ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-11 14:28           ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-07-11 20:04             ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-07-12  4:56               ` Andreas Dilger
2007-07-11 17:26         ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]

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