From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
"Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jbms@cmu.edu>,
Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>,
Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
pm list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
david@lang.hm, Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>
Subject: Re: Hibernation considerations
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:51:35 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070716005135.GB8140@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200707151433.34625.rjw@sisk.pl>
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 02:33:32PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
(snip)
Many of these assumptions are based on the assumption that we want to
save a full image of RAM. I'm not convinced that this is true. The two
things that we need are application state and hardware state.
Application state can clearly be saved without kernel involvement
(though restoring some of it may need some help from the kernel...), so
hardware state is a more interesting question.
The obvious argument for saving the entirity of memory is that we have
no mechanism for picking apart hardware state from any other part of the
kernel. In reality, we're looking at implementing a set of hibernation
operations anyway - it would be possible to utilise those to save as
much state as needed. You also get fringe benefits, like being able to
freeze a process that's accessing a piece of flaky hardware, swap the
card out (assuming hotplug PCI), restore some amount of state and then
let the process continue.
I appreciate that this suggestion sounds kind of fragile and
complicated, but I think that's true of most descriptions of suspend to
disk :) The main benefit is that it means we can use the hibernation
infrastructure for other purposes (checkpointing, swapping hardware,
that kind of thing) and reduce the damage caused by users doing
seemingly reasonable things (like suspending Linux, booting Windows and
then writing to a shared partition...).
--
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-07-16 0:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 220+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-07-15 12:33 Hibernation considerations Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 12:51 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-15 12:58 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2007-07-15 22:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 22:27 ` david
2007-07-17 17:40 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2007-07-17 17:49 ` david
2007-07-29 6:53 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2007-07-29 9:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-05 19:56 ` encrypted hibernation (was Re: Hibernation considerations) Pavel Machek
2007-08-11 23:43 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2007-08-12 22:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-18 19:37 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2007-08-21 7:29 ` Pavel Machek
2007-08-13 2:30 ` Michael Chang
2007-08-13 4:53 ` alon.barlev
2007-07-15 15:10 ` Hibernation considerations Al Boldi
2007-07-15 15:35 ` jimmy bahuleyan
2007-07-15 17:40 ` Al Boldi
2007-07-15 16:29 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-15 17:40 ` Al Boldi
2007-07-15 23:28 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-15 23:58 ` david
2007-07-16 5:02 ` Al Boldi
2007-07-16 6:49 ` david
2007-07-16 13:32 ` Al Boldi
2007-07-17 4:33 ` david
2007-07-17 12:08 ` Al Boldi
2007-07-17 14:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 15:23 ` david
2007-07-16 14:53 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-16 16:51 ` Al Boldi
2007-07-17 4:37 ` david
2007-07-15 19:52 ` david
2007-07-15 20:13 ` david
2007-07-15 22:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 22:42 ` david
2007-07-15 23:15 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-15 23:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-16 14:15 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-16 15:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 23:41 ` david
2007-07-16 14:21 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-17 4:45 ` david
2007-07-17 14:15 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-17 14:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 15:29 ` david
2007-07-17 16:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 17:06 ` david
2007-07-17 19:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:18 ` david
2007-07-17 20:39 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 20:39 ` david
2007-07-17 20:58 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:53 ` david
2007-07-17 21:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:42 ` david
2007-07-17 21:53 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-21 10:25 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-21 15:35 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-21 17:56 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-21 19:35 ` david
2007-07-21 19:49 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-21 22:14 ` david
2007-08-01 16:58 ` Stefan Seyfried
2007-07-17 20:24 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 20:44 ` david
2007-07-17 21:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 16:09 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 19:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 18:32 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-17 20:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:34 ` david
2007-07-17 20:54 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 21:04 ` david
2007-07-17 21:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:17 ` david
2007-07-17 21:27 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 21:27 ` david
2007-07-17 21:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:34 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 20:37 ` david
2007-07-17 20:56 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 21:06 ` david
2007-07-17 21:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:27 ` david
2007-07-17 21:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <ea7a437ca4038d408ac544bbc3c2434a@bga.com>
2007-07-19 17:31 ` [linux-pm] " david
2007-07-20 14:24 ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 15:44 ` david
2007-07-19 20:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-19 23:07 ` david
2007-07-20 11:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 15:35 ` david
2007-07-20 16:15 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 21:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 16:56 ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 17:31 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-20 21:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 19:26 ` david
2007-07-20 21:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 21:33 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-20 22:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <20070720152744.GH20529@grifter.jdc.home>
2007-07-20 15:36 ` david
2007-07-20 21:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 21:39 ` david
2007-07-20 22:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 22:39 ` david
2007-07-20 16:08 ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 16:20 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 17:32 ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 18:17 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 19:08 ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 19:37 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 20:03 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-20 20:12 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 21:35 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-20 22:25 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-23 14:23 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-23 20:05 ` Towards eliminating the freezer Alan Stern
2007-07-24 8:21 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-24 14:27 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-24 9:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-24 14:29 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-24 15:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-24 16:06 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-24 19:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-24 20:24 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-24 21:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-24 22:14 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-25 12:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-01 9:34 ` [linux-pm] Re: Hibernation considerations Pavel Machek
2007-08-03 3:50 ` david
2007-07-20 20:31 ` david
2007-07-20 21:24 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 21:34 ` david
2007-07-20 22:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 21:37 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-20 22:35 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 22:43 ` david
2007-07-21 5:21 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-21 14:10 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-22 3:43 ` david
2007-07-22 16:00 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-22 21:50 ` david
2007-07-23 15:19 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-23 19:01 ` david
2007-07-23 20:22 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-24 13:26 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-24 14:50 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 22:48 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-20 21:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-21 11:44 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-21 12:43 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-21 13:56 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-21 16:13 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-21 18:12 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-21 19:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-01 9:22 ` Pavel Machek
2007-08-02 17:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-21 22:21 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-21 22:16 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-22 15:26 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-22 16:27 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-22 20:09 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-22 21:54 ` david
2007-07-22 22:42 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-22 23:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-22 23:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-23 0:04 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-23 3:11 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-23 15:23 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-23 21:55 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-23 22:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-23 5:31 ` david
2007-07-23 10:24 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-23 12:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-23 12:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-23 12:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-23 12:31 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-23 13:08 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-23 14:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-23 14:01 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-23 19:08 ` david
2007-08-01 9:19 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <40fa2626aff7b6b590ad6aa4737fc873@bga.com>
2007-07-20 14:48 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-20 15:48 ` david
2007-07-22 2:17 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-22 2:32 ` david
2007-07-20 21:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 22:38 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-17 22:37 ` david
2007-07-18 14:29 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-18 14:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 4:40 ` Al Boldi
2007-07-20 10:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-21 10:17 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-15 23:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 23:49 ` david
2007-07-16 12:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <20070716123849.GC14212@grifter.jdc.home>
2007-07-16 15:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 4:28 ` david
2007-07-17 10:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-17 15:19 ` david
2007-07-18 2:18 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-18 3:54 ` david
2007-07-18 11:10 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-18 12:56 ` david
2007-07-15 23:17 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-15 23:53 ` david
2007-07-16 5:18 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-15 20:35 ` Cornelius Riemenschneider
2007-07-15 19:46 ` david
2007-07-16 0:51 ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2007-07-16 0:51 ` david
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