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From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC, Announce] Unified x86 architecture, arch/x86
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:37:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200707210737.59552.ak@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1184970779.4012.38.camel@chaos>

On Saturday 21 July 2007 00:32, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> We are pleased to announce a project we've been working on for some
> time: the unified x86 architecture tree, or "arch/x86" - and we'd like
> to solicit feedback about it.

Well you know my position on this. I think it's a bad idea because
it means we can never get rid of any old junk. IMNSHO arch/x86_64
is significantly cleaner and simpler in many ways than arch/i386 and I would
like to preserve that. Also in general arch/x86_64 is much easier to hack
than arch/i386 because it's easier to regression test and in general
has to care about much less junk. And I don't 
know of any way to ever fix that for i386 besides splitting the old
stuff off completely.

Besides radical file movements like this are bad anyways. They cause
a big break in patchkits and forward/backwards porting that doesn't 
really help anybody.

> This causes double maintenance
> even for functionality that is conceptually the same for the 32-bit and
> the 64-bit tree. (such as support for standard PC platform architecture
> devices)

It's not really the same platform: one is PC hardware going back forever
with zillions of bugs, the other is modern PC platforms which much less
bugs and quirks

To see it otherwise it's more a junkification of arch/x86_64 than
a cleanup of arch/i386 -- in fact you didn't really clean up arch/i386 
at all.

> How did we do it?
> -----------------
>
> As an initial matter, we made it painstakingly sure that the resulting
> .o files in a 32-bit build are bit for bit equal.

You got not a single line less code duplication then, so i don't really
see the point of this.

-Andi

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-21  5:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-20 22:32 [RFC, Announce] Unified x86 architecture, arch/x86 Thomas Gleixner
2007-07-20 22:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-20 22:40   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-20 22:42     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-20 22:51       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-21  2:56     ` Yinghai Lu
2007-07-20 23:55   ` Alan Cox
2007-07-21  0:02     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-21 22:26     ` Oleg Verych
2007-07-20 23:01 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-20 23:23   ` Steven Rostedt
2007-07-21  2:39     ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-07-20 23:55 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-07-21  0:03   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-21  0:16     ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-07-21  5:40   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-21  5:50     ` Steven Rostedt
2007-07-21  6:06       ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-21  7:35         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-21  7:42           ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-21  8:01             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-21  8:15             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-07-21  8:32             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-27 10:50         ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-27 18:11           ` Chris Wright
2007-07-20 23:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-07-21  1:59   ` Steven Rostedt
2007-07-21  1:01 ` Gabriel C
2007-07-21  5:37 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2007-07-21  5:58   ` Steven Rostedt
2007-07-21  6:09     ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-21  8:15   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-07-21  8:28     ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-21 13:28       ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-07-21  9:02     ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-21 11:34     ` Brian Gerst
2007-07-21 12:30       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-21 15:11   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-21  6:37 ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-21 10:37 ` David Woodhouse
2007-07-21 10:56 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-21 22:25 ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-21 23:51   ` Chris Wright
2007-07-22  7:50     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-07-22 12:02       ` Matt Mackall

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