From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Fengguang Wu <wfg@mail.ustc.edu.cn>, riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
Tim Pepper <lnxninja@us.ibm.com>, Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] readahead: scale max readahead size depending on memory size
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:44:03 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070722164403.GU11657@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1185095852.20032.229.camel@twins>
On Sun, Jul 22 2007, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-07-22 at 10:50 +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 22 2007, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2007-07-22 at 10:24 +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Jul 21 2007, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > >
> > > > > +static __init int readahead_init(void)
> > > > > +{
> > > > > + /*
> > > > > + * Scale the max readahead window with system memory
> > > > > + *
> > > > > + * 64M: 128K
> > > > > + * 128M: 180K
> > > > > + * 256M: 256K
> > > > > + * 512M: 360K
> > > > > + * 1G: 512K
> > > > > + * 2G: 724K
> > > > > + * 4G: 1024K
> > > > > + * 8G: 1448K
> > > > > + * 16G: 2048K
> > > > > + */
> > > > > + ra_pages = int_sqrt(totalram_pages/16);
> > > > > + if (ra_pages > (2 << (20 - PAGE_SHIFT)))
> > > > > + ra_pages = 2 << (20 - PAGE_SHIFT);
> > > > > +
> > > > > + return 0;
> > > > > +}
> > > >
> > > > How did you come up with these numbers?
> > >
> > > Well, most other places in the kernel where we scale by memory size we
> > > use the a sqrt curve, and the specific scale was the result of some
> > > fiddling, these numbers looked sane to me, nothing special.
> > >
> > > Would you suggest a different set, and if so, do you have any rationale
> > > for them?
> >
> > I just wish you had a rationale behind them, I don't think it's that
> > great of a series.
>
> Well, I was quite ignorant of the issues you just pointed out. Thanks
> those do indeed provide basis for a more solid set.
>
> > I agree with the low point of 128k.
>
> Perhaps that should be enforced then, because currently a system with
> <64M will get less.
I think it should remain the low point.
> > Then it'd be sane
> > to try and determine what the upper limit of ra window size goodness is,
> > which is probably impossible since it depends on the hardware a lot. But
> > lets just say the upper value is 2mb, then I think it's pretty silly
> > _not_ to use 2mb on a 1g machine for instance. So more aggressive
> > scaling.
>
> Right, I was being a little conservative here.
>
> > Then there's the relationship between nr of requests and ra size. When
> > you leave everything up to a simple sqrt of total_ram type thing, then
> > you are sure to hit stupid values that cause a queue size of a number of
> > full requests, plus a small one at the end. Clearly not optimal!
>
> And this is where Wu's point of power of two series comes into play,
> right?
>
> So something like:
>
> roundup_pow_of_two(int_sqrt((totalram_pages << (PAGE_SHIFT-10))))
>
>
> memory in MB RA window in KB
> 64 128
> 128 256
> 256 256
> 512 512
> 1024 512
> 2048 1024
> 4096 1024
> 8192 2048
> 16384 2048
> 32768 4096
> 65536 4096
Only if you assume that max request size is always a power of 2. That's
usually true, but there are cases where it's 124kb for instance.
And there's still an issue when max_sectors isn't the deciding factor,
if we end up having to stop merging on a request because we hit other
limitations.
So there's definitely room for improvement! Even today, btw, it's not
all because of these changes.
--
Jens Axboe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-07-22 16:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-07-21 21:00 [PATCH 0/3] readahead drop behind and size adjustment Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 21:00 ` [PATCH 1/3] readahead: drop behind Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 20:29 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-21 20:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 20:59 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-21 21:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-25 3:55 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-21 21:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] readahead: fadvise drop behind controls Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 21:00 ` [PATCH 3/3] readahead: scale max readahead size depending on memory size Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-22 8:24 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-22 8:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-22 8:50 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-22 9:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-22 16:44 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2007-07-23 10:04 ` Jörn Engel
2007-07-23 10:11 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-23 22:44 ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-22 23:52 ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-23 5:22 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <20070722084526.GB6317@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22 8:45 ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22 8:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20070722095313.GA8136@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22 9:53 ` Fengguang Wu
[not found] ` <20070722023923.GA6438@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22 2:39 ` [PATCH 0/3] readahead drop behind and size adjustment Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22 2:44 ` Dave Jones
[not found] ` <20070722081010.GA6317@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22 8:10 ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22 8:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20070722082923.GA7790@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22 8:29 ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22 8:33 ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-22 8:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-23 9:00 ` Nick Piggin
[not found] ` <20070723142457.GA10130@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-23 14:24 ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-23 19:40 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20070724004728.GA8026@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-24 0:47 ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-24 1:17 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 8:50 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-07-24 4:30 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 4:35 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 5:19 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 6:18 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 7:09 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 7:48 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 15:36 ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-25 15:33 ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-29 7:44 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 15:28 ` Rik van Riel
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