From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Fengguang Wu <wfg@mail.ustc.edu.cn>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
Tim Pepper <lnxninja@us.ibm.com>, Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] readahead: scale max readahead size depending on memory size
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:22:45 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070723052244.GW11657@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46A3EDD9.2090707@redhat.com>
On Sun, Jul 22 2007, Rik van Riel wrote:
> Jens Axboe wrote:
>
>> I just wish you had a rationale behind them, I don't think it's that
>> great of a series. I agree with the low point of 128k. Then it'd be sane
>> to try and determine what the upper limit of ra window size goodness is,
>> which is probably impossible since it depends on the hardware a lot. But
>> lets just say the upper value is 2mb, then I think it's pretty silly
>> _not_ to use 2mb on a 1g machine for instance. So more aggressive
>> scaling.
>
> 1 or 2 MB is a nice number.
>
> Seek time (plus rotational latency) on disks still takes
> on the order of 10 ms, while disks commonly transfer data
> on the order of 50MB/second.
>
> That means one disk seek (10ms) takes as long as it takes
> to read around 512kB of data.
>
> The current 128kB means that if you have lots of streaming
> IO going on, you spend only 20% of the time transferring
> data and get roughly 10MB/s. Seek 10ms, read 2.5ms worth
> of data.
>
> OTOH, if you do 2MB per request for the same heavy streaming
> workload (say, an ftp or nfs server doing media files), you
> can get 80% of the disk throughput, or 40MB/s. This is because
> you spend 40ms transferring data for every 10ms seek time.
>
> Yes, filesystem metadata will reduce this "occasionally",
> but the general idea holds.
I meant real numbers, the above is just rudimentary math. AS and CFQ
makes sure that you get a window of more than one request in, so huge
read-ahead sizes aren't as interesting.
So - more testing, less hand waving :-)
--
Jens Axboe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-07-23 5:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-07-21 21:00 [PATCH 0/3] readahead drop behind and size adjustment Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 21:00 ` [PATCH 1/3] readahead: drop behind Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 20:29 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-21 20:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 20:59 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-21 21:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-25 3:55 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-21 21:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] readahead: fadvise drop behind controls Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 21:00 ` [PATCH 3/3] readahead: scale max readahead size depending on memory size Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-22 8:24 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-22 8:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-22 8:50 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-22 9:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-22 16:44 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-23 10:04 ` Jörn Engel
2007-07-23 10:11 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-23 22:44 ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-22 23:52 ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-23 5:22 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
[not found] ` <20070722084526.GB6317@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22 8:45 ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22 8:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20070722095313.GA8136@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22 9:53 ` Fengguang Wu
[not found] ` <20070722023923.GA6438@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22 2:39 ` [PATCH 0/3] readahead drop behind and size adjustment Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22 2:44 ` Dave Jones
[not found] ` <20070722081010.GA6317@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22 8:10 ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22 8:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20070722082923.GA7790@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22 8:29 ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22 8:33 ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-22 8:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-23 9:00 ` Nick Piggin
[not found] ` <20070723142457.GA10130@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-23 14:24 ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-23 19:40 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20070724004728.GA8026@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-24 0:47 ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-24 1:17 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 8:50 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-07-24 4:30 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 4:35 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 5:19 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 6:18 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 7:09 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 7:48 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 15:36 ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-25 15:33 ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-29 7:44 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 15:28 ` Rik van Riel
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