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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Thread Migration Preemption
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:33:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070723183319.GA28505@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070705215152.GA4865@Krystal>


* Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca> wrote:

> Thread Migration Preemption
> 
> This patch adds the ability to protect critical sections from 
> migration to another CPU without disabling preemption.
> 
> This will be useful to minimize the amount of preemption disabling for 
> the -rt patch. [...]

unfortunately this abstraction has a number of fundamental 
disadvantages. (and hence the -rt patch does not make use of this 
facility)

firstly, its effects on load-balancing are quite brutal: it disables 
migration to another CPU, hence disturbing SMP load-balancing. It also 
adds an unplannable O(N) overhead into the load-balancer.

secondly, it has similar problems as preempt_disable(): it's opaque (not 
attached to a data structure) and thus it does not truly map the per-CPU 
data structure in any explicit way. It's little more than a per-task BKL 
for per-CPU data structures.

so in -rt we resisted the disable-migration approach from the early days 
on and are using two approaches to 'map' per-cpu data structures to 
PREEMPT_RT: firstly the use of PER_CPU_LOCKED data structures (which 
attach a per-cpu sleeping lock to per_cpu() data structures) - these are 
relatively easy first-approach conversions. As a second approach, if 
performance matters, the use of true atomic data structures.

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-23 18:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-05 21:51 [RFC] Thread Migration Preemption Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-05 22:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-07-06  6:12 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-06 14:34   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-06 14:34   ` Steven Rostedt
2007-07-06 15:43     ` Daniel Walker
2007-07-08  9:05     ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-10 23:39   ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-11  0:02     ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-11  0:36       ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-11  0:55         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-11  1:15           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-06 11:59 ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-06 14:41   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-06 17:11     ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-11  4:57       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-23 18:33 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-07-06  6:02 Oleg Nesterov
2007-07-06 14:23 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-06 14:56   ` Oleg Nesterov

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