From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757398AbXG1KbT (ORCPT ); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:31:19 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753577AbXG1KbK (ORCPT ); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:31:10 -0400 Received: from mondschein.lichtvoll.de ([194.150.191.11]:3256 "EHLO mail.lichtvoll.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753523AbXG1KbI (ORCPT ); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:31:08 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 1555 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:31:08 EDT From: Martin Steigerwald To: ck@vds.kolivas.org Subject: Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:05:10 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 Cc: Linus Torvalds , Kasper Sandberg , Linux Kernel Mailing List References: <1185588279.1654.1.camel@localhost> (sfid-20070728_101007_531837_EA6AB2C7) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart5949748.SGI2Qe3VAN"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200707281205.10871.Martin@lichtvoll.de> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --nextPart5949748.SGI2Qe3VAN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Am Samstag 28 Juli 2007 schrieb Linus Torvalds: > On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Kasper Sandberg wrote: > > Im still not so keen about this, Ingo never did get CFS to match SD > > in smoothness for 3d applications, where my test subjects are > > quake(s), world of warcraft via wine, unreal tournament 2004. And > > this is despite many patches he sent me to try and tweak it. [...] > I'm happy that SD was perfect for you. It wasn't for others, and it had > nobody who was even interested in trying to solve those issues. Linus, I seen somethimg *completely* different on the CK mailinglist. Con=20 Koliva worked up to his limits and likely beyond them to fix any and all=20 issues reported. Heck, he maintained that thing out of the kernel tree=20 for a long time and the version number 1.0 does not come from nothing, it=20 has gone through at least 50 iterations. The only thing I know of where Con did not want to "fix" a problem, was=20 with renicing X, cause he didn't want to introduce a special case in the=20 scheduler, where a simple nice would do the trick. That said I never saw=20 serious problems with X unreniced at all. So I think your statements here are simply not accurate and also not fair,= =20 cause I have the impression that you did not look carefully before=20 writing them. You speak about working together, but now I ask you: Did you ever have a=20 personal word with Con, did you ever tell him that you don't trust that=20 he can maintain the SD scheduler when its mainline? Did you ever outspoke=20 your concerns to *him*? Granted, from a health point of view and maybe also from looking at how=20 much time a maintainer will be able to spend more time on the scheduler=20 Ingo *may* can do more than Con - if he doesn't do too much else;-). But=20 looking at personal committment actually I saw no difference between Con=20 and Ingo. So while it may be good that CFS went in from that point of view, the way=20 the decision was made was very suitable to piss off a very talented=20 developer. Anyway, the decision is done, Con resigned already, he gave up on it. And=20 actually when I read your mail I can understand why he did so[1]. Sure,=20 he is involved as well and I think he felt hurt on some things that in my=20 perception were meant neutral or even supporting and postive, but still I=20 disagree a lot on the tone in LKML and understand exactly why Linux=20 users, Linux desktop users away from it as much as they can. Actually I=20 do not get that as you state in one of your latest interviews that you=20 are actually very interested into the desktop, cause its a very suitable=20 kernel test case[2]. Well I for sure will patch whatever into my kernels that I think should be= =20 in there for me to have a *pleasant* desktop experience, including, but=20 not limited to, TuxOnIce ;-). Oh, but that might possibly not be mainted=20 nicely enough as well then. (Yes, here is sarcastic irony, lots of it. So=20 no offence intended, Nigel;-) [1] http://apcmag.com/6735/interview_con_kolivas [2] http://www.oneopensource.it/interview-linus-torvalds/ Regards, =2D-=20 Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 --nextPart5949748.SGI2Qe3VAN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGqxTWmRvqrKWZhMcRAuiAAJ0ZUoUvSJuOeX0nzeN9XsY8rolLgwCfb0o/ m6qInzim5Y16RFGhursYUb4= =vCfF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart5949748.SGI2Qe3VAN--