From: Lars Ellenberg <lars.ellenberg@linbit.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@computergmbh.de>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [DRIVER SUBMISSION] DRBD wants to go mainline
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:35:33 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070730192954.GA7363@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070727184617.GF11895@ucw.cz>
On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 06:46:17PM +0000, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > > >We implement shared-disk semantics in a shared-nothing cluster.
> > >
> > > If nothing is shared, the disk is not shared, but got shared-disk
> > > semantics? A little confusing.
> >
> > Think of it as RAID1 over TCP.
> > Typically you have one Node in Primary, the other as Secondary,
> > replication target only.
>
> I guess TCP means people should not swap over it?
people should not swap over DRBD,
because it would not be useful.
DRBD is to have applicaction data available for more than one node,
without a single point of failure; when the node the app currently runs
on crashes, the data is there so some other node can take over from there.
what would you do with the swap of a crashed node, apart from,
well, crash analysis?
you don't need it to be highly available for that.
besides, yes, when you have network io in the block io path,
with linux (and probably most other OSes),
there is the posibility of vm starvation or even deadlock.
situation is improving, though - iirc, there has been talk to
have a emergency memory pool very low level in the network stack,
and some special "I am doing block-io" socket flag;
what is the status of that, anyone?
I belive DRBD behaves very good even in oom situations.
we considered these things from the very beginning.
that said,
I did not see a DRBD cluster hanging hard in OOM, yet.
and we do operate quite a few busy
database/mail/web/file/application/iSCSI/whatever clusters.
Lars
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-07-30 20:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-07-21 20:38 [DRIVER SUBMISSION] DRBD wants to go mainline Lars Ellenberg
2007-07-21 21:17 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-21 22:43 ` Lars Ellenberg
2007-07-22 9:06 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-22 14:03 ` Lars Ellenberg
2007-07-27 18:46 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-30 19:35 ` Lars Ellenberg [this message]
2007-07-30 19:41 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-21 21:34 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-21 23:50 ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-22 5:52 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-22 13:58 ` Lars Ellenberg
2007-07-22 14:49 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-22 14:56 ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-22 15:31 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-22 15:50 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-22 16:13 ` Stefan Richter
2007-07-22 6:09 ` Lars Ellenberg
2007-07-22 8:52 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-22 9:05 ` Pekka Enberg
2007-07-22 9:00 ` Pekka Enberg
2007-07-23 1:32 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-23 8:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-23 9:00 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-23 9:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-23 9:19 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-23 11:08 ` Lars Ellenberg
2007-07-23 13:32 ` Lars Ellenberg
2007-07-23 13:37 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-23 21:13 ` Lars Ellenberg
2007-07-23 13:40 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 21:19 ` Lars Ellenberg
2007-07-24 7:36 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-24 23:11 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-25 9:46 ` Lars Ellenberg
2007-07-25 12:12 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-26 2:03 ` david
2007-07-26 3:43 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-26 9:17 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-07-24 0:48 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-23 20:59 ` Jesper Juhl
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2007-07-22 9:54 Tomasz Chmielewski
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