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From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
	Rogan Dawes <lists@dawes.za.net>,
	Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>, Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>,
	linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] USB: Only enable autosuspend by   default on certain device classes
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:33:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070803143338.GA19713@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0708031014160.3416-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 10:28:19AM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Matthew Garrett wrote:

> There are two possible solutions, both involving the kernel (since
> userspace can't respond in time).  One is to change the default timeout
> to something larger, or even disable it completely.  Then people would
> need to rely on userspace tools to enable autosuspend on known-good
> devices.  The other possibility is to have a fairly reliable blacklist
> or whitelist and again rely on userspace to manage edge cases.  This is 
> of course more flexible than a blanket default setting, but it's still 
> pretty rigid.  On the other hand, a blacklist can't be changed without 
> rebuilding the kernel whereas the default timeout can be adjusted on 
> the boot command line.

Windows will autosuspend hubs, bluetooth devices, HID devices and CDC 
devices, so I think we're safe suspending those by default. I'm not so 
enthusiastic about the "Increase the timeout case" - it doesn't avoid 
any races, just makes them less likely. USB is likely to get loaded in 
the initramfs, but we may not have a full set of udev rules until the 
root fs is up and that can take an effectively arbitrarily large amount 
of time.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-03 14:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-02 23:56 [PATCH] USB: Only enable autosuspend by default on certain device classes Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03  1:15 ` Greg KH
2007-08-03  1:47   ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03  2:46     ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Stern
2007-08-03  6:01       ` David Brownell
2007-08-03 11:28         ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 11:44           ` Oliver Neukum
2007-08-03 12:04             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 12:26               ` Rogan Dawes
2007-08-03 12:32                 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 14:01                   ` David Brownell
2007-08-03 14:09                     ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 14:28                       ` Alan Stern
2007-08-03 14:33                         ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2007-08-03 14:41                           ` Alan Stern
2007-08-03 15:10                             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 14:43                           ` Jiri Kosina
2007-08-03 14:53                             ` [linux-usb-devel] " Dave Jones
2007-08-03 14:58                               ` Jiri Kosina
2007-08-03 15:24                               ` David Brownell
2007-08-03 15:29                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2007-08-03 17:47                                   ` Alan Stern
2007-08-03 15:25                               ` Adam Kropelin
2007-08-03 15:31                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2007-08-03 15:48                                   ` Dave Jones
2007-08-03 16:49                                     ` David Brownell
2007-08-03 16:55                                     ` Adam Kropelin
2007-08-03 15:06                             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 14:37                       ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2007-08-03 15:03                         ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 16:08                           ` Oliver Neukum
2007-08-03 17:49                             ` Alan Stern
2007-08-03 20:03                             ` Dave Jones
2007-08-03 16:29                           ` David Brownell
2007-08-03 16:50                             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 17:49                             ` Greg KH
2007-08-03 17:44                   ` Greg KH
2007-08-03 17:48                     ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 19:29                       ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-08-03 19:56                         ` Pete Zaitcev
2007-08-07  9:14                           ` Amit Kucheria
2007-08-03 20:12                     ` [linux-usb-devel] " Dave Jones
2007-08-03 21:17                       ` Alan Stern
2007-08-03 21:31                         ` Dave Jones
2007-08-03 21:33                         ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 12:34                 ` Felipe Balbi
2007-08-03  6:06     ` David Brownell
2007-08-03 14:22       ` Dave Jones
2007-08-03 14:52         ` David Brownell
2007-08-03  7:57     ` Oliver Neukum
2007-08-03 14:24       ` Dave Jones
2007-08-03 14:32         ` Oliver Neukum
2007-08-03 14:36           ` [linux-usb-devel] [PATCH] USB: Only enable autosuspend by?default " Dave Jones
2007-08-03 19:34         ` [linux-usb-devel] [PATCH] USB: Only enable autosuspend by default " Pete Zaitcev
2007-08-03 19:45           ` Dave Jones
2007-08-03 20:04             ` Pete Zaitcev

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