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From: Michael Buesch <mb@bu3sch.de>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	csnook@redhat.com, dhowells@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, ak@suse.de, heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com,
	davem@davemloft.net, schwidefsky@de.ibm.com,
	wensong@linux-vs.org, horms@verge.net.au, wjiang@resilience.com,
	cfriesen@nortel.com, zlynx@acm.org, rpjday@mindspring.com,
	jesper.juhl@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently on frv
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:06:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200708151706.48974.mb@bu3sch.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200708151529.46780.arnd@arndb.de>

On Wednesday 15 August 2007 15:29:43 Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 August 2007, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> 
> > ACCESS_ONCE() is indeed intended to be used when actually loading or
> > storing the variable.  That said, I must admit that it is not clear to me
> > why you would want to add an extra order() rather than ACCESS_ONCE()ing
> > one or both of the adjacent accesses to that same variable.
> > 
> > So, what am I missing?
> 
> You're probably right, the only case I can construct is something like
> 
> 	if (ACCESS_ONCE(x)) {
> 		...
> 		ACCESS_ONCE(x)++;
> 	}
> 
> which would be slightly less efficient than
> 
> 	if (x)
> 		x++;
> 	order(x);
> 
> because in the first case, you need to do two ordered accesses
> but only one in the second case. However, I can't think of a case
> where this actually makes a noticable difference in real life.

How can this example actually get used in a sane and race-free
way? This would need locking around the whole if
statement. But locking is a barrier.

-- 
Greetings Michael.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-15 15:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-09 13:41 [PATCH 6/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently on frv Chris Snook
2007-08-09 16:54 ` Chris Snook
2007-08-10  9:23   ` David Howells
2007-08-10 19:54     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-11  0:54       ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-11  4:29         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-13  5:15           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-13  6:03             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-14  5:34               ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-14  7:26                 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-14 17:01                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-14 22:01                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-08-14 22:43                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 13:29                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-08-15 15:06                         ` Michael Buesch [this message]
2007-08-15 13:30                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-15 20:15                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  1:09                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-16  2:27                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-11  8:47       ` David Howells
2007-08-13  6:44         ` Chris Snook
2007-08-14  5:42           ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-15 18:51             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 19:18               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 19:46                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 19:59                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 20:13                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 20:38                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 21:15                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  1:20                           ` Nick Piggin

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