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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 2/2] Sort module list by pointer address to get coherent sleepable seq_file iterators
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:53:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070825215329.GA17100@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1188078255.20041.117.camel@localhost.localdomain>

* Rusty Russell (rusty@rustcorp.com.au) wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 11:45 -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > * Rusty Russell (rusty@rustcorp.com.au) wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 16:26 -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > > > plain text document attachment (module.c-sort-module-list.patch)
> > > > A race that appears both in /proc/modules and in kallsyms: if, between the
> > > > seq file reads, the process is put to sleep and at this moment a module is
> > > > or removed from the module list, the listing will skip an amount of
> > > > modules/symbols corresponding to the amount of elements present in the unloaded
> > > > module, but at the current position in the list if the iteration is located
> > > > after the removed module.
> > > > 
> > > > The cleanest way I found to deal with this problem is to sort the module list.
> > > > We can then keep the old struct module * as the old iterator, knowing the it may
> > > > be removed between the seq file reads, but we only use it as "get next". If it
> > > > is not present in the module list, the next pointer will be used.
> > > > 
> > > > By doing this, removing a given module will now only fuzz the output related to
> > > > this specific module, not any random module anymore. Since modprobe uses
> > > > /proc/modules, it might be important to make sure multiple concurrent running
> > > > modprobes won't interfere with each other.
> > > 
> > > You've reduced, but not eliminated, the problem.  A new module inserted
> > > is quite likely to reuse the same address.
> > > 
> > 
> > Hi Rusty,
> > 
> > Please tell me if I'm wrong, but I think it would not be a problem:
> > 
> > - seq_read() makes sure that a buffer large enough is available so that
> >   m_show() can fully extract and print the information relative to 1
> >   module.
> > - m_start() and m_stop() takes the module_mutex, therefore within one
> >   seq_read(), once m_start has returned, the struct module * that we
> >   have is valid and will be consistent during the whole seq_read
> >   operation.
> > - If a module is removed, and then a different one is inserted at the
> >   same address, while we are between two seq_reads for this given struct
> >   module address, the seq_reads will copy to user-space the information
> >   that is still in the buffer for the _first_ struct module encountered,
> >   not the new one.
> > - After that, iteration will continue to the new struct module address,
> >   effectively skipping the newly inserted module.
> 
> Indeed, I thought that this was a general problem: the seq_list code was
> never intended to work on modifiable lists unless you get them in one
> big read.
> 
> If we accept this problem, what do we do about all the other users?
> 

Hum, I guess it would be best for them to switch to the proposed seq
sorted list too. I think that having one example (module.c) that shows
well how this works will be an incentive for other developers to port
their seq_file code to the sorted list (I am thinking, among others,
about kallsyms).

Mathieu

> Rusty.
> 

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
Computer Engineering Ph.D. Student, Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
OpenPGP key fingerprint: 8CD5 52C3 8E3C 4140 715F  BA06 3F25 A8FE 3BAE 9A68

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-25 21:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-20 20:26 [patch 0/2] Sort module list Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-08-20 20:26 ` [patch 1/2] Seq_file add support for sorted list Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-08-20 20:26 ` [patch 2/2] Sort module list by pointer address to get coherent sleepable seq_file iterators Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-08-21  0:08   ` Rusty Russell
2007-08-24 15:45     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-08-25 21:44       ` Rusty Russell
2007-08-25 21:53         ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-09-18 21:09 [patch 0/2] Sorted Module List for 2.6.23-rc6-mm1 Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-18 21:09 ` [patch 2/2] Sort module list by pointer address to get coherent sleepable seq_file iterators Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-17 18:43 [patch 0/2] Sort module list Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-17 18:43 ` [patch 2/2] Sort module list by pointer address to get coherent sleepable seq_file iterators Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-06 20:05 [patch 0/2] Sort module list for /proc/modules Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-06 20:05 ` [patch 2/2] Sort module list by pointer address to get coherent sleepable seq_file iterators Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-08-27 16:02 [patch 0/2] Sort module list for /proc/modules seq file reads Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-08-27 16:02 ` [patch 2/2] Sort module list by pointer address to get coherent sleepable seq_file iterators Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-08-12 15:08 [patch 0/2] Sorted seq_file Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-08-12 15:08 ` [patch 2/2] Sort module list by pointer address to get coherent sleepable seq_file iterators Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]   ` <20070815033945.GA13134@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-08-15  3:39     ` Fengguang Wu
2007-08-15  4:18     ` Al Viro
     [not found]       ` <20070815063741.GB5175@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-08-15  6:37         ` Fengguang Wu
2007-08-15  6:53         ` Al Viro
     [not found]           ` <20070815083645.GA6544@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-08-15  8:36             ` Fengguang Wu
     [not found]           ` <20070815084625.GA18892@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-08-15  8:46             ` Fengguang Wu
2007-08-18 15:56             ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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