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From: Frank van Maarseveen <frankvm@frankvm.com>
To: Jakob Oestergaard <jakob@unthought.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
	Frank van Maarseveen <frankvm@frankvm.com>,
	Hua Zhong <hzhong@gmail.com>,
	"'Linux Kernel Mailing List'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:28:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070831082856.GB21499@janus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070831074028.GR21979@unthought.net>

On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 09:40:28AM +0200, Jakob Oestergaard wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 10:16:37PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > 
> ...
> > > Why aren't we doing that for any other filesystem than NFS?
> > 
> > How hard is it to acknowledge the following little word:
> > 
> > 	"regression"
> > 
> > It's simple. You broke things. You may want to fix them, but you need to 
> > fix them in a way that does not break user space.
> 
> Trond has a point Linus.
> 
> What he "broke" is, for example, a ro mount being mounted as rw.
> 
> That *could* be a very serious security (etc.etc.) problem which he just fixed.
> Anything depending on read-only not being enforced will cease to work, of
> course, and that is what a few people complain about(!).
> 
> If ext3 in some rare case (which would still mean it hit a few thousand users)
> failed to remember that a file had been marked read-only and allowed writes to
> it, wouldn't we want to fix that too?  It would cause regressions, but we'd fix
> it, right?
> 
> mount passes back the error code on a failed mount. autofs passes that error
> along too (when people configure syslog correctly). In short; when these
> serious mistakes are made and caught, the admin sees an error in his logs.

Hua explained already that seeing the error is not the same as fixing
the error: he cannot fix it because NFS implies other systems we _must_
co-operate with.

-- 
Frank

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-31  8:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-30 21:07 recent nfs change causes autofs regression Hua Zhong
2007-08-30 22:37 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-30 22:47   ` Hua Zhong
2007-08-30 23:22     ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-30 23:30       ` Hua Zhong
2007-08-30 23:37         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-30 23:44           ` Hua Zhong
2007-08-31  4:31             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-31  4:38               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-31  4:47                 ` Hua Zhong
2007-08-31  4:57                 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-31  5:09               ` Ian Kent
2007-08-31  7:50               ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2007-08-31  1:24   ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-31  4:33     ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-31  3:49   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-31  3:57     ` Hua Zhong
2007-08-31  4:44     ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-31  4:59       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-31  5:04         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-31  5:16           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-31  7:40             ` Jakob Oestergaard
2007-08-31  8:07               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-31  8:51                 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2007-08-31 16:43                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-03 13:20                     ` Jakob Oestergaard
2007-09-03 13:43                       ` Martin Knoblauch
2007-08-31 12:11                 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-31 13:12                   ` Frank van Maarseveen
2007-08-31 13:50                     ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-31 14:42                       ` Frank van Maarseveen
2007-09-04  7:51                   ` David Howells
2007-08-31  8:28               ` Frank van Maarseveen [this message]
2007-08-31  5:24           ` Hua Zhong
2007-08-31  5:38         ` Ian Kent
2007-08-31  8:54           ` Martin Knoblauch
2007-08-31 16:21     ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-31 17:01       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-31 19:03         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-09-04  8:02         ` David Howells
2007-09-04  8:35         ` David Howells
2007-09-04  9:04           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-31 18:47       ` Hua Zhong
2007-08-31 19:13         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-31 19:35           ` Hua Zhong
2007-08-31 19:41           ` Hua Zhong
2007-09-02  0:58       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-09-04  7:54         ` David Howells
2007-09-05 12:35           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-09-05 15:34             ` David Howells
2007-09-05 12:44           ` Ian Kent
2007-09-05 15:37             ` David Howells
2007-09-05 15:50               ` Trond Myklebust
2007-09-06  5:23                 ` Ian Kent
2007-09-05 16:26             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-31  8:14 ` Frank van Maarseveen
2007-08-31  9:05   ` Ian Kent

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