From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>,
Folkert van Heusden <folkert@vanheusden.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:15:22 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070914151522.GL3563@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46EAA08F.30703@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:54:07PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 05:11:44PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> >> Let's step back a moment and consider the actual scale and impact of the
> >> problem at hand.
> >>
> >> The vast majority of users are consumers of pre-compiled kernels, built by
> >> People With Clue(tm), who figured this stuff out as soon as it was
> >> introduced.
> [...]
> > In my experience, the vast majority of kconfig users are not the few
> > people working on distribution kernels, most of the kconfig userbase
> > could be better described by the use case "sysadmin who knows about the
> > hardware in his machine and which filesystems he uses".
>
> The patch which is discussed here is specifically targeted towards users
> who are convinced that they can migrate to different drivers without
> reading Kconfig help texts.
Nothing about the patch is only about migration.
The same applies if you configure a kernel from scratch.
Do "make menuconfig" with the .config you are normally using, count the
number of options that are visible, and ask yourself whether we can
really expect users to read the help texts for every single option shown.
People mostly read help texts for options where they don't understand
what this option is about - and "Serial ATA" therefore is an option that
is likely to get enabled without the user looking at the help text.
> Stefan Richter
cu
Adrian
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-09-14 15:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-09-07 12:48 sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig Folkert van Heusden
2007-09-07 14:40 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-07 14:58 ` Folkert van Heusden
2007-09-07 19:38 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-07 23:02 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-08 7:27 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-07 15:35 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-07 15:59 ` Folkert van Heusden
2007-09-07 16:21 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-07 23:05 ` Folkert van Heusden
2007-09-08 7:05 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 7:29 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-08 7:56 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 16:31 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-08 16:44 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 16:48 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-08 19:45 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 8:43 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-09-13 8:50 ` Helge Hafting
2007-09-14 16:42 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-14 18:44 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 16:07 ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-08 16:50 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-08 16:53 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-09-08 18:13 ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-08 18:30 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 19:14 ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-08 19:32 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-09 21:00 ` James Bottomley
2007-09-09 21:03 ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-09 21:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-09 21:22 ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-09 21:39 ` James Bottomley
2007-09-10 6:38 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-10 12:43 ` Rene Herman
2007-09-11 20:16 ` Bauke Jan Douma
2007-09-12 22:46 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-14 14:54 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 15:15 ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2007-09-14 15:37 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 16:01 ` [PATCH] SCSI: update Kconfig help text to indicate SCSI core's widespread usage Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 16:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-14 18:02 ` [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 18:04 ` [PATCH] SCSI: trailing whitespace in Kconfig Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 19:00 ` [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two Sam Ravnborg
2007-09-14 19:06 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-14 20:01 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 11:40 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 12:24 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 12:50 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 13:20 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 13:53 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 14:11 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 14:43 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 15:27 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 15:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-15 16:23 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 16:52 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-09-15 19:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-15 20:54 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-09-16 20:12 ` Greg KH
2007-09-15 16:42 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 11:29 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2007-09-17 14:46 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 20:20 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 21:22 ` [PATCH update] " Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 18:54 ` [PATCH] SCSI: update Kconfig help text to indicate SCSI core's widespread usage Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-14 20:14 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 20:21 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-14 21:06 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 21:11 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-14 21:14 ` [PATCH update] " Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 22:02 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2007-09-15 6:16 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 10:52 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2007-09-15 12:30 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 12:53 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2007-09-15 12:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 13:19 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 16:16 ` sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig Adrian Bunk
2007-09-14 16:50 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 8:04 ` Paul Rolland
2007-09-15 8:25 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 13:00 ` Paul Rolland
2007-09-15 15:50 ` x86_64 usability bug: Kconfig prompt without help text (was Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig) Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 16:21 ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-15 17:13 ` [PATCH] x86_64: configure HPET_EMULATE_RTC automatically Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 18:23 ` sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig david
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2007-09-08 3:52 Al Boldi
2007-09-08 13:47 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-08 14:03 ` Al Boldi
2007-09-08 16:08 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-09 4:11 ` Al Boldi
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2007-09-08 16:52 ` Bodo Eggert
2007-09-08 18:22 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 18:54 ` Randy Dunlap
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