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From: Bernard Jungen <bern8817@euphonynet.be>
To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@infradead.org>
Cc: Markus Rechberger <mrechberger@gmail.com>,
	"video4linux-list@redhat.com" <video4linux-list@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-dvb@linuxtv.org" <linux-dvb@linuxtv.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-dvb] [PATCH] Userspace tuner
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:58:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070915165834.GA2054@euphonynet.be> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1189865082.5271.91.camel@gaivota>

On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 11:04:42AM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> With respect to your kernel-userspace API for xc3028, you made something
> that seemed to be a dream: there's a consensus: not a single developer
> believed that this is the better way; nobody seems that this is the
> better approach.
> 
> So, or you are the only media developer with good sense in the face of
> the Earth, or you're incapable of understand the obvious: you're wrong
> with this approach. IMO, the answer is quite obvious.

Yes, as a newbie observer on the v4l list, the answer is obvious to me,
at last, and the reason is not entirely technical. I can't read so many
bogus arguments on so few lines without reacting.

Rephrasing Mauro:

"Not a single developer out of a few SEEMS to believe that it is the BETTER
approach, so since the FEW represent ALL media developers in the world, and
since there is only ONE RIGHT way to do things, and since the GROUP is
always RIGHT and always knows better than the individual, then YOU're WRONG
and I'm right. Conform to the group and do as the group says, whatever the
consequences!"

Geeks are decidedly as prone as others to blindly accept travelling on the
slippery road of herd mentality and "obvious" conclusions based on
appearances. Is this OPEN source development or a dictatorship or what?

So in the end Mauro will be right. And Markus will continue to develop and
defend his stuff as HE sees fit. He knows his own work better than anyone
else. It will be HIS way or nothing with his own stuff, it's his inalienable
right.

And don't be naive, if there's no solution more viable than Markus' one,
then the latter will eventually be widely adopted somehow, sometime,
whatever the amount of grumbling from the establishment. No
dictatorship/forced consensus can decide future's direction, nor improve
its already low own viability.

Cheers,

Bernard.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-09-15 17:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <46C1BCC5.9090709@amd.com>
     [not found] ` <1189626560.5160.57.camel@gaivota>
     [not found]   ` <d9def9db0709121546h67d3d1ceuf001ab1d798fde92@mail.gmail.com>
2007-09-12 23:10     ` [linux-dvb] [PATCH] Userspace tuner Markus Rechberger
2007-09-13  4:58       ` Dâniel Fraga
     [not found]         ` <d9def9db0709122258l4b05546dq2e370e67a2a1404@mail.gmail.com>
2007-09-13 12:40           ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-09-13 13:17             ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-17 22:05         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-09-13 13:13       ` [linux-dvb] " Johannes Stezenbach
2007-09-13 14:12         ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-13 15:50           ` Manu Abraham
2007-09-13 16:08             ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-13 16:22               ` Manu Abraham
2007-09-13 16:32                 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-13 16:52                   ` Manu Abraham
2007-09-13 20:36               ` Steven Toth
2007-09-13 23:17                 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-14  1:03                   ` Steven Toth
2007-09-14  6:38                     ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-14  7:57                       ` Manu Abraham
2007-09-14  9:15                         ` Joerg Roedel
2007-09-14 12:00                           ` Manu Abraham
2007-09-14 16:09                             ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-14 18:52                               ` Alex Deucher
2007-09-14 18:59                                 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-14 19:38                                   ` Alex Deucher
2007-09-14 16:13                             ` Joerg Roedel
2007-09-14 16:56                               ` Manu Abraham
2007-09-14 17:40                                 ` Joerg Roedel
2007-09-14 11:38                       ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-09-14 16:36                         ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-14 17:32                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2007-09-14 17:46                             ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-14 18:29                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2007-09-14 19:20                                 ` Michael Krufky
2007-09-14 21:07                                   ` Aidan Thornton
2007-09-14 21:16                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2007-09-14 21:53                                     ` Manu Abraham
2007-09-14 20:43                           ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-09-15  1:29                             ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-15  1:49                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2007-09-15 13:16                               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-09-15 13:38                                 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-15 14:04                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2007-09-15 14:33                                     ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-15 14:45                                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2007-09-15 16:58                                     ` Bernard Jungen [this message]
2007-09-16 11:30                                       ` Hans Verkuil
2007-09-17  8:46                                       ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-15  1:49                             ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-15  3:09                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2007-09-15 12:59                                 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-15  8:52                               ` Manu Abraham
2007-09-15 13:34                               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-09-15 14:56                                 ` Steven Toth
2007-09-14 13:52                   ` Alan Cox
2007-09-14 16:18                     ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-18  8:19                       ` Jelle Foks
2007-09-18  8:55                         ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-18 22:56                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2007-09-18 23:00                           ` Alan Cox
2007-09-14  0:49                 ` hermann pitton
2007-09-14 12:10                 ` Alan Cox

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