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From: "J.C. Roberts" <jcroberts@designtools.org>
To: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
Cc: Jason Dixon <jason@dixongroup.net>,
	misc@openbsd.org, LKML Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Wasting our Freedom
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:05:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200709160305.00792.jcroberts@designtools.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2D9F0E1E-0E7A-46A5-8251-209CCF458A5D@mac.com>

On Sunday 16 September 2007, Kyle Moffett wrote:
> Secondly, what the HELL is with you guys and the personal  
> attacks?!?!?  You said I am "hopelessly misinformed, or a habitual  
> liar"???  

You are right and I apologize. I've received plenty of personal attacks 
from your group, and failed to hold my temper when dealing with you.

You and the rest of the linux kernel devs need to realize there are a 
lot of angry people who are tired of being ignored by the powers that 
be in the GNU/FSF/GPL/SFLC. The claimed distinction between the linux 
kernel, the linux operating system, the various linux distros, the GNU 
project, the FSF, and the SFLC is pedantic at best to the rest of the 
outside world. As far as everyone else on the outside is concerned, you 
are all one large project working together.

When some part of your project is indulging in code theft, it makes all 
of you look bad, regardless if it's upstream, downstream, sidestream or 
otherwise. When linux/gpl developers and linux/gpl lawyers refuse to 
take a stance against code theft, you look like one big happy family 
doing everything you can to put as much code as possible under your 
preferred license regardless if it's illegal or immoral.

I knew darn well that I wouldn't be winning any new friends in the 
linux/gpl/gnu camp by voicing an unpopular opinion to your project, but 
after being ignored, you too would want to find the people on the other 
side with the spine to stand up and say code theft is wrong.

Would you stand by quietly, tolerate being ignored, and accept delay 
tactics of unethical lawyers if the roles were reverse?

Would you be willing to be called every untoward name in the book by 
voicing your dissenting opinions clearly and loudly?

I have.

jcr

  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-16 10:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <5C8C3794-C62A-4935-8267-81080CCF6867@dixongroup.net>
2007-09-15 10:33 ` Wasting our Freedom J.C. Roberts
2007-09-15 10:58   ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-16  7:32   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-16  7:52     ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-16  8:12       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16  8:29         ` Rene Herman
2007-09-16  9:17         ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-16  9:33           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16 13:17           ` Statement by SFLC (was Re: Wasting our Freedom) Eben Moglen
2007-09-16 14:00             ` Marc Espie
2007-09-16 14:42               ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-16 14:24             ` Lars Noodén
2007-09-16 14:24             ` Lars Noodén
2007-09-16 18:11             ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-16 19:18               ` bofh
2007-09-16 15:23           ` Wasting our Freedom Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-16 20:08             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-17  8:22               ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-17 14:10                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 14:44                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-16 20:33           ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-16  8:23       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-16 10:05         ` J.C. Roberts [this message]
2007-09-16 18:48 Can E. Acar
2007-09-16 19:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16 19:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-16 20:39   ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-16 21:11     ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17  9:10       ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:08         ` David Schwartz
2007-09-18 13:58           ` frantisek holop
2007-09-16 21:12     ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-16 23:16       ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-16 23:40         ` david
2007-09-17  0:01           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-17  9:30           ` Henning Brauer
2007-09-17 12:57             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 13:15               ` Jason Dixon
2007-09-17 13:19                 ` Hans-Jürgen Koch
2007-09-17 13:27                 ` Sean
2007-09-17 13:33                   ` Jason Dixon
2007-09-17 13:42                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 21:39               ` Ingo Schwarze
2007-09-17 23:56           ` Ingo Schwarze
2007-09-17  7:47         ` Helge Hafting
2007-09-17 11:50           ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-17 13:28             ` David Newall
2007-09-18 11:17             ` Helge Hafting
2007-09-17 11:18       ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:19         ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 13:39         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-17 15:20           ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 19:50             ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 20:35             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-17 21:09               ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 23:35                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-18  0:03                   ` David Schwartz
2007-09-18  0:44                     ` Al Viro
2007-09-17 12:55       ` Claudio Jeker
2007-09-17 13:34         ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 19:23           ` Claudio Jeker
2007-09-17 20:43             ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 22:06               ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17 23:47                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-18 18:55                   ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-18 19:04                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-18 19:51                       ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-18 19:37                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-18 22:24                     ` Martin Schlemmer
2007-09-18  9:00               ` Henning Brauer
2007-09-18 11:29                 ` Marco Peereboom
2007-09-18 12:56                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-18 11:28                     ` Gilles Chehade
2007-09-18 15:47                     ` Denis Doroshenko
2007-09-18 15:55                     ` frantisek holop
2007-09-18 17:15                     ` Marco Peereboom
2007-09-18 23:34                     ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-19  0:24                       ` Alan Cox
2007-09-16 21:13     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-16 22:37       ` David Schwartz
2007-09-16 23:09         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17  0:29           ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17  0:57             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17  1:35               ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17  1:51                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17  3:37                   ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17  1:19             ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17  1:40               ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17  1:44               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17  9:20       ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 13:38         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 15:15           ` Paul de Weerd
2007-09-17 15:38             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 18:02               ` Paul de Weerd
2007-09-17 18:32                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 19:27                   ` Paul de Weerd
     [not found]                   ` <c746fc3a3d81920b224537f96efe1605@localhost>
2007-09-17 19:44                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 15:25           ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 16:18             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-16 22:19     ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 11:20       ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 11:57         ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 12:06           ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:36             ` David Schwartz
2007-09-16 20:32 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17  3:00   ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17  3:32     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-17  5:33     ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17  6:43       ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17  7:36         ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17 12:10     ` Krzysztof Halasa
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     [not found]   ` <949e6-4Ed-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <949Hd-5vb-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <94l5J-6gO-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <94oZy-3Sa-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <94qIg-6Ft-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-09-18 11:16             ` Bodo Eggert
2007-09-18 11:46               ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-09-18 11:49               ` Jason Dixon

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