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From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Claudio Jeker <cjeker@diehard.n-r-g.com>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>,
	"Can E. Acar" <can.acar@pro-g.com.tr>,
	misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@enter.net>,
	Eben Moglen <moglen@softwarefreedom.org>,
	Lawrence Lessig <lessig_from_web@pobox.com>,
	"Bradley M. Kuhn" <bkuhn@softwarefreedom.org>,
	Matt Norwood <norwood@softwarefreedom.org>
Subject: Re: Wasting our Freedom
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:34:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070917133458.GA18360@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070917125554.GB13179@diehard.n-r-g.com>

On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 02:55:54PM +0200, Claudio Jeker wrote:
> Wohoho! Slow here please. NDA have nothing to do with licenses and
> especially with copyright. NetApp even though their stuff is under their
> copyright and license does hopefully not modify the copyrights of imported
> BSD/ISC code. That would be against the law and I hope their leagal
> departement is smart enough to not do this mistake especially because the
> BSD license those not hinder them in any way.

Yes, NDA doesn't have anything to do with license and copyrights, and
I never said that NetApp is modfying a copyright; but they *are*
putting a proprietary copyright license on their modifications ---
which is exactly what the Linux wireless developers had proposed to do
(modulo mistakes about removing copyright notices and attribution
which have already been acknowledged and fixed), except instead of
using a proprietary license which means you'll never see the WAFL
sources (at least without signing an NDA and acknowledging their
proprietary copyright license over their changes), it will be under a
GPL license with which you have philosophical differences, but still
allows you to see the source.

> Finally most companies know they benefit from open source and give often
> the code changes most likely bugfixes to this imported code back.
> Unlike most GPL people we're happy with that especially we do not require
> them to release any of their own code. Sure their WAFL file system is cool
> but even in my wildest dreams I would not require them to publish their
> code just because the used some of my code.

So why are you complaining when people want to use some of your code
and put the combined work under a mixed BSD/GPL license?  You can't
use WAFL; you can't use the GPL'ed enhancements.  What's the
difference between those two cases?  Somehow a mixed BSD/Proprietary
license is better?

    	    	     	  	  	- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-17 13:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-16 18:48 Wasting our Freedom Can E. Acar
2007-09-16 19:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16 19:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-16 20:39   ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-16 21:11     ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17  9:10       ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:08         ` David Schwartz
2007-09-18 13:58           ` frantisek holop
2007-09-16 21:12     ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-16 23:16       ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-16 23:40         ` david
2007-09-17  0:01           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-17  9:30           ` Henning Brauer
2007-09-17 12:57             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 13:15               ` Jason Dixon
2007-09-17 13:19                 ` Hans-Jürgen Koch
2007-09-17 13:27                 ` Sean
2007-09-17 13:33                   ` Jason Dixon
2007-09-17 13:42                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 21:39               ` Ingo Schwarze
2007-09-17 23:56           ` Ingo Schwarze
2007-09-17  7:47         ` Helge Hafting
2007-09-17 11:50           ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-17 13:28             ` David Newall
2007-09-18 11:17             ` Helge Hafting
2007-09-17 11:18       ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:19         ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 13:39         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-17 15:20           ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 19:50             ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 20:35             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-17 21:09               ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 23:35                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-18  0:03                   ` David Schwartz
2007-09-18  0:44                     ` Al Viro
2007-09-17 12:55       ` Claudio Jeker
2007-09-17 13:34         ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2007-09-17 19:23           ` Claudio Jeker
2007-09-17 20:43             ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 22:06               ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17 23:47                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-18 18:55                   ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-18 19:04                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-18 19:51                       ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-18 19:37                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-18 22:24                     ` Martin Schlemmer
2007-09-18  9:00               ` Henning Brauer
2007-09-18 11:29                 ` Marco Peereboom
2007-09-18 12:04                   ` Wasting our Bandwidth Xavier Bestel
2007-09-18 12:24                     ` Marco Peereboom
2007-09-18 12:56                   ` Wasting our Freedom Theodore Tso
2007-09-18 11:28                     ` Gilles Chehade
2007-09-18 15:47                     ` Denis Doroshenko
2007-09-18 15:55                     ` frantisek holop
2007-09-18 17:15                     ` Marco Peereboom
2007-09-18 23:34                     ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-19  0:24                       ` Alan Cox
2007-09-16 21:13     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-16 22:37       ` David Schwartz
2007-09-16 23:09         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17  0:29           ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17  0:57             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17  1:35               ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17  1:51                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17  3:37                   ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17  1:19             ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17  1:40               ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17  1:44               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17  9:20       ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 13:38         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 15:15           ` Paul de Weerd
2007-09-17 15:38             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 18:02               ` Paul de Weerd
2007-09-17 18:32                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 19:27                   ` Paul de Weerd
     [not found]                   ` <c746fc3a3d81920b224537f96efe1605@localhost>
2007-09-17 19:44                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 15:25           ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 16:18             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 17:14             ` Wasting My Time (was Re: Wasting our Freedom) Eric Furman
2007-09-16 22:19     ` Wasting our Freedom David Schwartz
2007-09-17 11:20       ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 11:57         ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 12:06           ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:36             ` David Schwartz
2007-09-16 20:32 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17  3:00   ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17  3:32     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-17  5:33     ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17  6:43       ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17  7:36         ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17 12:10     ` Krzysztof Halasa
     [not found] <947Fl-2qO-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <948rP-3pK-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <949e6-4Ed-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <949Hd-5vb-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <94l5J-6gO-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <94oZy-3Sa-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <94qIg-6Ft-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-09-18 11:16             ` Bodo Eggert
2007-09-18 11:46               ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-09-18 11:49               ` Jason Dixon
     [not found] <5C8C3794-C62A-4935-8267-81080CCF6867@dixongroup.net>
2007-09-15 10:33 ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-15 10:58   ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-16  7:32   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-16  7:52     ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-16  8:12       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16  8:29         ` Rene Herman
2007-09-16  9:17         ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-16  9:33           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16 15:23           ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-16 20:08             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-17  8:22               ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-17 14:10                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 14:44                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-16 20:33           ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-16  8:23       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-16 10:05         ` J.C. Roberts

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