From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: "J.C. Roberts" <jcroberts@designtools.org>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@enter.net>,
Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
Jason Dixon <jason@dixongroup.net>,
misc@openbsd.org, moglen@softwarefreedom.org,
bkuhn@softwarefreedom.org, norwood@softwarefreedom.org,
fontana@softwarefreedom.org, karen@softwarefreedom.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Wasting our Freedom
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:10:53 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070917141053.GL18232@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200709170122.31204.jcroberts@designtools.org>
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:22:28AM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote:
>...
> Saying something like:
> "Linux Kernel != FSF/GNU"
>
> is quite similar to saying:
> "Windows != Microsoft"
>
> In both cases, the pairs of terms may not be "equal" but they are
> certainly related. Also in both cases, the former term is most often
> considered part of the latter term. Just as the Linux kernel is under
> the GPL of the FSF/GNU, equally Windows is under EULA of Microsoft. You
> are correct in stating a distinction technically exists, yet in common
> language of everyday people, the terms are interchangeable even though
> it is pedantically incorrect to do so.
>...
You could equally say that
"OpenBSD != University of California, Berkeley"
was wrong since OpenBSD uses the licence of the UCB. [1]
Or that
"OpenBSD != NetBSD"
was wrong since OpenBSD is just a spinoff of NetBSD, and for everyday
people all the *BSD operating systems are anyway the same.
Or that
"OpenBSD != Linux kernel"
was wrong since although they are not equal, they are related since they
are both open source operating systems.
Or even that
"OpenBSD != FSF"
was wrong.
In case you wonder about the latter, check at [2] whose project's
project leaders won the FSF's Award for the Advancement of Free Software
and whose project's project leader did not.
The FSF and the Linux kernel community have some relationship, but they
are quite distinct communities with different views on some things.
As an example, Linus Torvalds made clear some years ago that the kernel
is GPLv2 only and will stay GPLv2 forever. This makes it impossible to
move the kernel to the FSF's new GPLv3. If you have such differences in
mind it sounds ridiculous when people don't differentiate between the
FSF and the Linux kernel community.
> kind regards,
> jcr
cu
Adrian
[1] I don't know the background of the 2-clause BSD licence, but at
least for the 3-clause and 4-clause BSD licences this was true
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Award_for_the_Advancement_of_Free_Software
--
"Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
"Only a promise," Lao Er said.
Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed
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[not found] <5C8C3794-C62A-4935-8267-81080CCF6867@dixongroup.net>
2007-09-15 10:33 ` Wasting our Freedom J.C. Roberts
2007-09-15 10:58 ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-16 7:32 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-16 7:52 ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-16 8:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16 8:29 ` Rene Herman
2007-09-16 9:17 ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-16 9:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16 13:17 ` Statement by SFLC (was Re: Wasting our Freedom) Eben Moglen
2007-09-16 14:00 ` Marc Espie
2007-09-16 14:42 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-16 14:24 ` Lars Noodén
2007-09-16 14:24 ` Lars Noodén
2007-09-16 18:11 ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-16 19:18 ` bofh
2007-09-16 15:23 ` Wasting our Freedom Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-16 20:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-17 8:22 ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-17 14:10 ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2007-09-17 14:44 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-16 20:33 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-16 8:23 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-16 10:05 ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-16 18:48 Can E. Acar
2007-09-16 19:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16 19:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-16 20:39 ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-16 21:11 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17 9:10 ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:08 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-18 13:58 ` frantisek holop
2007-09-16 21:12 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-16 23:16 ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-16 23:40 ` david
2007-09-17 0:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-17 9:30 ` Henning Brauer
2007-09-17 12:57 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 13:15 ` Jason Dixon
2007-09-17 13:19 ` Hans-Jürgen Koch
2007-09-17 13:27 ` Sean
2007-09-17 13:33 ` Jason Dixon
2007-09-17 13:42 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 21:39 ` Ingo Schwarze
2007-09-17 23:56 ` Ingo Schwarze
2007-09-17 7:47 ` Helge Hafting
2007-09-17 11:50 ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-17 13:28 ` David Newall
2007-09-18 11:17 ` Helge Hafting
2007-09-17 11:18 ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:19 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 13:39 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-17 15:20 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 19:50 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 20:35 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-17 21:09 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 23:35 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-18 0:03 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-18 0:44 ` Al Viro
2007-09-17 12:55 ` Claudio Jeker
2007-09-17 13:34 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 19:23 ` Claudio Jeker
2007-09-17 20:43 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 22:06 ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17 23:47 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-18 18:55 ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-18 19:04 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-18 19:51 ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-18 19:37 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-18 22:24 ` Martin Schlemmer
2007-09-18 9:00 ` Henning Brauer
2007-09-18 11:29 ` Marco Peereboom
2007-09-18 12:56 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-18 11:28 ` Gilles Chehade
2007-09-18 15:47 ` Denis Doroshenko
2007-09-18 15:55 ` frantisek holop
2007-09-18 17:15 ` Marco Peereboom
2007-09-18 23:34 ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-19 0:24 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-16 21:13 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-16 22:37 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-16 23:09 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 0:29 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 0:57 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 1:35 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 1:51 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 3:37 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 1:19 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 1:40 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 1:44 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 9:20 ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 13:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 15:15 ` Paul de Weerd
2007-09-17 15:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 18:02 ` Paul de Weerd
2007-09-17 18:32 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 19:27 ` Paul de Weerd
[not found] ` <c746fc3a3d81920b224537f96efe1605@localhost>
2007-09-17 19:44 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 15:25 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 16:18 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-16 22:19 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 11:20 ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 11:57 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 12:06 ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:36 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-16 20:32 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17 3:00 ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17 3:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-17 5:33 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17 6:43 ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17 7:36 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17 12:10 ` Krzysztof Halasa
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2007-09-18 11:16 ` Bodo Eggert
2007-09-18 11:46 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-09-18 11:49 ` Jason Dixon
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