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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: Paul de Weerd <weerd@weirdnet.nl>
Cc: "Can E. Acar" <can.acar@pro-g.com.tr>,
	misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@enter.net>,
	Eben Moglen <moglen@softwarefreedom.org>,
	Lawrence Lessig <lessig_from_web@pobox.com>,
	"Bradley M. Kuhn" <bkuhn@softwarefreedom.org>,
	Matt Norwood <norwood@softwarefreedom.org>
Subject: Re: Wasting our Freedom
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:38:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070917153846.GO18232@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070917151505.GV18186@despair.weirdnet.nl>

On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 05:15:05PM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 03:38:45PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> | It's not about lazyness of BSD developers, many people who consider the 
> | BSD licence more free than the GPL argue that the advantage of the BSD 
> | licence is that it does not require you to give back.
> | 
> | Something is wrong if your licence text clearly states that you do not 
> | require getting anything back but you then argue on moral grounds that
> | something has to be given back.
> 
> Something is wrong if your licence text clearly states that you MUST
> give back, but then you don't return the favour on grounds that "hey,
> they don't require it, so we don't have to".
>...

The GPL doesn't require to give back under a licence that gives less 
protection for the code than the GPL does.

If you take the BSD licence seriously you don't request to get anything 
back on moral grounds.

If you take the GPL seriously you don't want your modifications being 
available with less protection.

In reality, where it makes sense technically, it's quite likely that an 
author will make his modifications, or even a completely self-written 
driver, also available under the terms of the BSD licence when asked in 
a friendly way.

> Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd
>...

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-17 15:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-16 18:48 Wasting our Freedom Can E. Acar
2007-09-16 19:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16 19:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-16 20:39   ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-16 21:11     ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17  9:10       ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:08         ` David Schwartz
2007-09-18 13:58           ` frantisek holop
2007-09-16 21:12     ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-16 23:16       ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-16 23:40         ` david
2007-09-17  0:01           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-17  9:30           ` Henning Brauer
2007-09-17 12:57             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 13:15               ` Jason Dixon
2007-09-17 13:19                 ` Hans-Jürgen Koch
2007-09-17 13:27                 ` Sean
2007-09-17 13:33                   ` Jason Dixon
2007-09-17 13:42                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 21:39               ` Ingo Schwarze
2007-09-17 23:56           ` Ingo Schwarze
2007-09-17  7:47         ` Helge Hafting
2007-09-17 11:50           ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-17 13:28             ` David Newall
2007-09-18 11:17             ` Helge Hafting
2007-09-17 11:18       ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:19         ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 13:39         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-17 15:20           ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 19:50             ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 20:35             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-17 21:09               ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 23:35                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-18  0:03                   ` David Schwartz
2007-09-18  0:44                     ` Al Viro
2007-09-17 12:55       ` Claudio Jeker
2007-09-17 13:34         ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 19:23           ` Claudio Jeker
2007-09-17 20:43             ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 22:06               ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17 23:47                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-18 18:55                   ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-18 19:04                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-18 19:51                       ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-18 19:37                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-18 22:24                     ` Martin Schlemmer
2007-09-18  9:00               ` Henning Brauer
2007-09-18 11:29                 ` Marco Peereboom
2007-09-18 12:04                   ` Wasting our Bandwidth Xavier Bestel
2007-09-18 12:24                     ` Marco Peereboom
2007-09-18 12:56                   ` Wasting our Freedom Theodore Tso
2007-09-18 11:28                     ` Gilles Chehade
2007-09-18 15:47                     ` Denis Doroshenko
2007-09-18 15:55                     ` frantisek holop
2007-09-18 17:15                     ` Marco Peereboom
2007-09-18 23:34                     ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-19  0:24                       ` Alan Cox
2007-09-16 21:13     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-16 22:37       ` David Schwartz
2007-09-16 23:09         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17  0:29           ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17  0:57             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17  1:35               ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17  1:51                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17  3:37                   ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17  1:19             ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17  1:40               ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17  1:44               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17  9:20       ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 13:38         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 15:15           ` Paul de Weerd
2007-09-17 15:38             ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2007-09-17 18:02               ` Paul de Weerd
2007-09-17 18:32                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 19:27                   ` Paul de Weerd
     [not found]                   ` <c746fc3a3d81920b224537f96efe1605@localhost>
2007-09-17 19:44                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 15:25           ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 16:18             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 17:14             ` Wasting My Time (was Re: Wasting our Freedom) Eric Furman
2007-09-16 22:19     ` Wasting our Freedom David Schwartz
2007-09-17 11:20       ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 11:57         ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 12:06           ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:36             ` David Schwartz
2007-09-16 20:32 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17  3:00   ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17  3:32     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-17  5:33     ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17  6:43       ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17  7:36         ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17 12:10     ` Krzysztof Halasa
     [not found] <947Fl-2qO-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <948rP-3pK-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <949e6-4Ed-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <949Hd-5vb-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <94l5J-6gO-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <94oZy-3Sa-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <94qIg-6Ft-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-09-18 11:16             ` Bodo Eggert
2007-09-18 11:46               ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-09-18 11:49               ` Jason Dixon
     [not found] <5C8C3794-C62A-4935-8267-81080CCF6867@dixongroup.net>
2007-09-15 10:33 ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-15 10:58   ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-16  7:32   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-16  7:52     ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-16  8:12       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16  8:29         ` Rene Herman
2007-09-16  9:17         ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-16  9:33           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16 15:23           ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-16 20:08             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-17  8:22               ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-17 14:10                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 14:44                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-16 20:33           ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-16  8:23       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-16 10:05         ` J.C. Roberts

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