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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com>
Cc: "Can E. Acar" <can.acar@pro-g.com.tr>,
	misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@enter.net>,
	Eben Moglen <moglen@softwarefreedom.org>,
	Lawrence Lessig <lessig_from_web@pobox.com>,
	"Bradley M. Kuhn" <bkuhn@softwarefreedom.org>,
	Matt Norwood <norwood@softwarefreedom.org>
Subject: Re: Wasting our Freedom
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:18:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070917161845.GQ18232@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKEEJGGNAC.davids@webmaster.com>

On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 08:25:14AM -0700, David Schwartz wrote:
> 
> > And if you choose the GPL the code you distribute will be under the GPL 
> > *only* forever [1], so what value would be in shipping terms that are 
> > void?
> 
> Not true. You cannot chose the license that applies to other people's code. The code you distribute contains protectable elements from different authors. Each element is still offered under whatever license the original author offered it under.
> 
> You cannot affect the license grant from the author to the lawful possessor of code you did not author.
> 
> The code you *contribute* will be under the GPL *only* forever. But the code you distribute will contain elements from different authors offered under different licenses.
>...

The licence text we are talking about disagrees with what you claim:

<--  snip  -->

/*-
 * Copyright (c) 2002-2004 Sam Leffler, Errno Consulting
 * All rights reserved.
 *
 * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
 * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions
 * are met:
 * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright
 *    notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer,
 *    without modification.
 * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce at minimum a disclaimer
 *    similar to the "NO WARRANTY" disclaimer below ("Disclaimer") and any
 *    redistribution must be conditioned upon including a substantially
 *    similar Disclaimer requirement for further binary redistribution.
 * 3. Neither the names of the above-listed copyright holders nor the names
 *    of any contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived
 *    from this software without specific prior written permission.
 *
 * Alternatively, this software may be distributed under the terms of the
 * GNU General Public License ("GPL") version 2 as published by the Free
 * Software Foundation.
 *
 * NO WARRANTY
 * ...

<--  snip  -->

We are talking about dual-licenced code, not about BSD licenced code 
incorporated into GPL'ed code.

That other people can distribute the original dual-licenced code 
dual-licenced or BSD-only, and that you can get the code under this 
licences from there, is without a doubt. But *the author* allowed me to 
choose the licence when *I distribute it*.

> DS

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-17 16:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-16 18:48 Wasting our Freedom Can E. Acar
2007-09-16 19:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16 19:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-16 20:39   ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-16 21:11     ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17  9:10       ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:08         ` David Schwartz
2007-09-18 13:58           ` frantisek holop
2007-09-16 21:12     ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-16 23:16       ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-16 23:40         ` david
2007-09-17  0:01           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-17  9:30           ` Henning Brauer
2007-09-17 12:57             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 13:15               ` Jason Dixon
2007-09-17 13:19                 ` Hans-Jürgen Koch
2007-09-17 13:27                 ` Sean
2007-09-17 13:33                   ` Jason Dixon
2007-09-17 13:42                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 21:39               ` Ingo Schwarze
2007-09-17 23:56           ` Ingo Schwarze
2007-09-17  7:47         ` Helge Hafting
2007-09-17 11:50           ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-17 13:28             ` David Newall
2007-09-18 11:17             ` Helge Hafting
2007-09-17 11:18       ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:19         ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 13:39         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-17 15:20           ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 19:50             ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 20:35             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-17 21:09               ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 23:35                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-18  0:03                   ` David Schwartz
2007-09-18  0:44                     ` Al Viro
2007-09-17 12:55       ` Claudio Jeker
2007-09-17 13:34         ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 19:23           ` Claudio Jeker
2007-09-17 20:43             ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 22:06               ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17 23:47                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-18 18:55                   ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-18 19:04                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-18 19:51                       ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-18 19:37                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-18 22:24                     ` Martin Schlemmer
2007-09-18  9:00               ` Henning Brauer
2007-09-18 11:29                 ` Marco Peereboom
2007-09-18 12:04                   ` Wasting our Bandwidth Xavier Bestel
2007-09-18 12:24                     ` Marco Peereboom
2007-09-18 12:56                   ` Wasting our Freedom Theodore Tso
2007-09-18 11:28                     ` Gilles Chehade
2007-09-18 15:47                     ` Denis Doroshenko
2007-09-18 15:55                     ` frantisek holop
2007-09-18 17:15                     ` Marco Peereboom
2007-09-18 23:34                     ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-19  0:24                       ` Alan Cox
2007-09-16 21:13     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-16 22:37       ` David Schwartz
2007-09-16 23:09         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17  0:29           ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17  0:57             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17  1:35               ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17  1:51                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17  3:37                   ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17  1:19             ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17  1:40               ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17  1:44               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17  9:20       ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 13:38         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 15:15           ` Paul de Weerd
2007-09-17 15:38             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 18:02               ` Paul de Weerd
2007-09-17 18:32                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 19:27                   ` Paul de Weerd
     [not found]                   ` <c746fc3a3d81920b224537f96efe1605@localhost>
2007-09-17 19:44                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 15:25           ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 16:18             ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2007-09-17 17:14             ` Wasting My Time (was Re: Wasting our Freedom) Eric Furman
2007-09-16 22:19     ` Wasting our Freedom David Schwartz
2007-09-17 11:20       ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 11:57         ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 12:06           ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:36             ` David Schwartz
2007-09-16 20:32 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17  3:00   ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17  3:32     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-17  5:33     ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17  6:43       ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17  7:36         ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17 12:10     ` Krzysztof Halasa
     [not found] <947Fl-2qO-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <948rP-3pK-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <949e6-4Ed-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <949Hd-5vb-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <94l5J-6gO-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <94oZy-3Sa-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <94qIg-6Ft-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-09-18 11:16             ` Bodo Eggert
2007-09-18 11:46               ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-09-18 11:49               ` Jason Dixon
     [not found] <5C8C3794-C62A-4935-8267-81080CCF6867@dixongroup.net>
2007-09-15 10:33 ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-15 10:58   ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-16  7:32   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-16  7:52     ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-16  8:12       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16  8:29         ` Rene Herman
2007-09-16  9:17         ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-16  9:33           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16 15:23           ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-16 20:08             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-17  8:22               ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-17 14:10                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 14:44                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-16 20:33           ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-16  8:23       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-16 10:05         ` J.C. Roberts

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