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From: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
To: linux-tiny@selenic.com
Cc: Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>,
	Andy Whitcroft <apw@shadowen.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Michael Opdenacker <michael@free-electrons.com>,
	CE Linux Developers List <celinux-dev@tree.celinuxforum.org>
Subject: Re: Monster switch for small size (was Linux-tiny revival)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:41:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200709201641.22580.rob@landley.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46F2A99A.3080400@am.sony.com>

On Thursday 20 September 2007 12:10:50 pm Tim Bird wrote:
> Andy Whitcroft wrote:
> > Knowing nothing about these options, from a test perspective it would
> > be nice if we were able to simply enable "the lot" so we can do "normal"
> > -mm runs and "tiny" -mm runs without any manual intervention?
>
> I agree completely.
>
> I have been thinking for a while about how to make a "monster switch"
> (the kind they always seem to have in Frankenstein movies) that
> switches a whole bunch of settings at once.  We currently have methods
> in the kernel for:
>  * default (or recommended) config for a particular platform
>  * all yes - to build as much as possible
>  * all no - to build as little as possible
>
> The problem with "allno" is that it rarely produces a usable
> kernel.

Beyond that, allno doesn't come close to switching everything off.

1) You have to _enable_ CONFIG_EMBEDDED in order to go into that menu and 
switch _off_ the stuff in there.

2) The stuff CONFIG_EMBEDDED reveals isn't all in that menu.  CONFIG_BLOCK is 
at the top level menu.  CONFIG_VT and CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS are buried down 
under device drivers->character devices, and there's more sprinkled all over.  
You have to track it all down and switch it off to get an _actual_ 
allnoconfig kernel.

(I cut the bit where you reinvent miniconfig.  People keep doing this.  I dig 
it up and resubmit it every year or so, so Roman Zippel can shoot it down 
again.  Meanwhile, not only is Firmware Linux happily using it, but I even 
wrote more documentation at 
http://landley.net/code/firmware/new_platform.html although you have to 
scroll down a bit to get to the stuff about miniconfig...)

Rob
-- 
"One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000 lines of code."
  - Ken Thompson.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-20 20:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-19 18:03 [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival Tim Bird
2007-09-19 18:47 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2007-09-19 19:31   ` Tim Bird
2007-09-19 19:01 ` Christian MICHON
2007-09-19 19:28 ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-19 19:41   ` Tim Bird
2007-09-19 20:45     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-09-19 21:29       ` Tim Bird
2007-09-19 22:29         ` Michael Opdenacker
2007-09-19 21:28 ` [Celinux-dev] " Andrew Morton
2007-09-19 21:41   ` Tim Bird
2007-09-19 22:38     ` Michael Opdenacker
2007-09-20  9:10       ` Andy Whitcroft
2007-09-20 17:10         ` Monster switch for small size (was Linux-tiny revival) Tim Bird
2007-09-20 21:41           ` Rob Landley [this message]
2007-09-20 20:50             ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-21  6:35             ` Christian MICHON
2007-09-20 23:02   ` [Celinux-dev] [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival Rob Landley
2007-09-20 20:38 ` Rob Landley
2007-09-20 19:58   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-09-20 20:22     ` printk proposal - (was Linux-tiny project revival) Tim Bird
2007-09-21 19:07       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-09-21 20:53         ` Rob Landley
2007-09-20 22:02     ` [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival Rob Landley
2007-09-20 21:22       ` Jared Hulbert
2007-09-20 22:53         ` Rob Landley
2007-09-20 22:15       ` [Celinux-dev] " Gross, Mark
2007-09-21  0:57         ` Message codes (Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival) Oleg Verych
2007-09-21 14:18           ` Gross, Mark
2007-09-21 21:15             ` Rob Landley
2007-09-21 22:12               ` Gross, Mark
2007-09-21 22:33                 ` Joe Perches
2007-09-21 22:39                   ` Gross, Mark
2007-09-22  1:55               ` Oleg Verych
2007-09-21 13:29       ` [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival Dick Streefland
2007-09-20 20:16   ` Joe Perches
2007-09-25 11:43     ` [Celinux-dev] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-09-20 21:26   ` Indan Zupancic
2007-09-20 23:18     ` Rob Landley
2007-09-20 23:06       ` Indan Zupancic
2007-09-21  6:29         ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-09-24 18:13           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-26  6:24             ` Rob Landley
2007-09-21 17:16       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-09-21 17:45         ` Joe Perches
2007-09-21 23:05           ` Rob Landley
2007-09-21 23:08             ` Joe Perches
2007-09-21 21:34       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-21 22:05         ` Joe Perches
2007-09-21 22:57           ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-20 21:58   ` Tim Bird
2007-09-20 22:14     ` Joe Perches
2007-09-21  0:28       ` Rob Landley
2007-09-21  0:03         ` Joe Perches
2007-09-20 23:11     ` Rob Landley
2007-09-21 12:27   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-09-27  7:00   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-09-27 16:35     ` Indan Zupancic
2007-09-27 22:21       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-09-28  8:39         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-09-30 20:37           ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-28  0:06     ` Rob Landley
2007-09-28 14:36       ` Dick Streefland

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