From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
Cc: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jbms@cmu.edu>,
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
nigel@suspend2.net,
Kexec Mailing List <kexec@lists.infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
"Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
huang ying <huang.ying.caritas@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/2 -mm] kexec based hibernation -v3: kexec jump
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:40:24 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200709221240.25614.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200709220947.58872.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
On Saturday, 22 September 2007 01:47, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Saturday 22 September 2007 09:19:18 Kyle Moffett wrote:
> > I think that in order for this to work, there would need to be some
> > ABI whereby the resume-ing kernel can pass its entire ACPI state and
> > a bunch of other ACPI-related device details to the resume-ed kernel,
> > which I believe it does not do at the moment. I believe that what
> > causes problems is the ACPI state data that the kernel stores is
> > *different* between identical sequential boots, especially when you
> > add/remove/replace batteries, AC, etc.
>
> That's certainly possible. We already pass a very small amount of data between
> the boot and resuming kernels at the moment, and it's done quite simply - by
> putting the variables we want to 'transfer' in a nosave page/section.
Well, if the boot and image kernels are different, which is now possible on
x86_64 with some recent patches (currently in -mm), the nosave trick won't
work.
Still, I don't think we need to pass anything from the boot to the image
kernel. Moreover, we shouldn't do that, IMO (arguably, the boot kernel
could be replaced with a resume-aware boot loader).
> I could conceive of a scheme wherein this was extended for driver data.
> Since the memory needed would depend on the drivers loaded, it would
> probably require that the space be allocated when hibernating, and the
> locations of structures be stored in the image header and then drivers
> notified of the locations to use when preparing to resume, but it could
> work...
>
> > Since we currently throw away most of that in-kernel ACPI interpreter
> > state data when we load the to-be-resumed image and replace it with
> > the state from the previous boot it looks to the ACPI code and
> > firmware like our system's hardware magically changed behind its
> > back. The result is that the ACPI and firmware code is justifiably
> > confused (although probably it should be more idempotent to begin
> > with). There's 2 potential solutions:
> > 1) Formalize and copy a *lot* of ACPI state from the resume-ing
> > kernel to the resume-ed kernel.
> > 2) Properly call the ACPI S4 methods in the proper order
>
> ... that said, I don't think the above should be necessary in most cases. I
> believe we're already calling the ACPI S4 methods in the proper order. If I
> understood correctly, Rafael put a lot of effort into learning what that was,
> and into ensuring it does get done.
Yes, I did, but I can be wrong nevertheless. ;-)
Greetings,
Rafael
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-09-22 10:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-09-20 5:34 [RFC][PATCH 1/2 -mm] kexec based hibernation -v3: kexec jump Huang, Ying
2007-09-20 10:09 ` Pavel Machek
2007-09-21 0:24 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-21 1:06 ` Andrew Morton
2007-09-21 1:19 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-21 1:41 ` Andrew Morton
2007-09-21 1:57 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-21 2:18 ` Huang, Ying
2007-09-21 2:25 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-21 2:45 ` Huang, Ying
2007-09-21 2:58 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-21 4:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-09-21 9:45 ` Pavel Machek
2007-09-26 20:30 ` Joseph Fannin
2007-09-26 20:52 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-27 6:33 ` Huang, Ying
2007-09-27 6:35 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-22 22:02 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2007-09-21 3:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-09-21 12:09 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 13:14 ` huang ying
2007-09-21 14:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 15:02 ` huang ying
2007-09-21 15:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 18:11 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-09-21 19:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 19:45 ` Alan Stern
2007-09-21 20:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 20:26 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-09-21 20:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 21:08 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-09-21 21:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 21:16 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-09-21 23:19 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-21 23:47 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-22 10:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2007-10-11 20:54 ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-24 20:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-22 10:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-22 18:00 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-22 21:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-26 20:52 ` Joseph Fannin
2007-09-21 4:16 ` Andrew Morton
2007-09-21 11:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 11:58 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-21 12:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 12:15 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-21 13:25 ` huang ying
2007-09-24 17:37 ` Thomas Meyer
2007-09-21 9:49 ` Pavel Machek
2007-09-21 12:10 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 2:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-09-21 7:27 ` Huang, Ying
2007-09-21 4:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-09-21 8:42 ` Huang, Ying
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