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From: Jarek Poplawski <jarkao2@o2.pl>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com>,
	"Linux-Kernel\@Vger\. Kernel\. Org"
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Martin Michlmayr <tbm@cyrius.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Network slowdown due to CFS
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:30:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070927093002.GA2431@ff.dom.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070926133138.GA23187@elte.hu>

On 26-09-2007 15:31, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com> wrote:
> 
>>>> I think the real fix would be for iperf to use blocking network IO 
>>>> though, or maybe to use a POSIX mutex or POSIX semaphores.
>>> So it's definitely not a bug in the kernel, only in iperf?
>> Martin:
>>
>> Actually, in this case I think iperf is doing the right thing (though not
>> the best thing) and the kernel is doing the wrong thing. [...]
> 
> it's not doing the right thing at all. I had a quick look at the source 
> code, and the reason for that weird yield usage was that there's a 
> locking bug in iperf's "Reporter thread" abstraction and apparently 
> instead of fixing the bug it was worked around via a horrible yield() 
> based user-space lock.
> 
> the (small) patch below fixes the iperf locking bug and removes the 
> yield() use. There are numerous immediate benefits of this patch:
...
> 
> sched_yield() is almost always the symptom of broken locking or other 
> bug. In that sense CFS does the right thing by exposing such bugs =B-)

...Only if it were under some DEBUG option. Even if iperf is doing
the wrong thing there is no explanation for such big difference in
the behavior between sched_compat_yield 1 vs. 0. It seems common
interfaces should work similarly and predictably on various
systems, and here, if I didn't miss something, linux looks like a
different kind?

Regards,
Jarek P.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-09-27  9:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-26  8:52 Network slowdown due to CFS Martin Michlmayr
2007-09-26  9:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-26  9:47   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-26 10:08     ` Martin Michlmayr
2007-09-26 10:18       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-26 10:20 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-09-26 10:23 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-09-26 10:48   ` Martin Michlmayr
2007-09-26 11:21     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-26 11:29       ` Martin Michlmayr
2007-09-26 12:00         ` David Schwartz
2007-09-26 13:31           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-26 15:40             ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-09-26 15:46             ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-09-27  9:30             ` Jarek Poplawski [this message]
2007-09-27  9:46               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-27 12:27                 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-09-27 13:31                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-27 14:42                     ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-09-28  6:10                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-01  8:43                         ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-01 16:25                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-01 16:49                             ` David Schwartz
2007-10-01 17:31                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-01 18:23                                 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-02  6:06                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-02  6:47                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-03  8:02                                     ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-03  8:16                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-03  8:56                                         ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-03  9:10                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-03  9:50                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-03 10:55                                               ` Dmitry Adamushko
2007-10-03 10:58                                                 ` Dmitry Adamushko
2007-10-03 11:20                                                   ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-03 11:22                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-03 11:40                                                 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-03 11:56                                                   ` yield Ingo Molnar
2007-10-03 12:16                                                     ` yield Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-07  7:18                                               ` Network slowdown due to CFS Ingo Molnar
2007-10-04  5:33                                             ` Casey Dahlin
2007-10-02  6:08                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-02  6:26                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-02  6:46                                   ` yield API Ingo Molnar
2007-10-02 11:50                                     ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-10-02 15:24                                       ` Douglas McNaught
2007-10-02 21:57                                     ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-12-12 22:39                                     ` Jesper Juhl
2007-12-13  4:43                                       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-12-13 20:10                                         ` David Schwartz
2007-10-01 19:53                               ` Network slowdown due to CFS Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-01 22:17                                 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-01 22:35                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-01 22:44                                     ` David Schwartz
2007-10-01 22:55                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-02 15:37                                         ` David Schwartz
2007-10-03  7:15                                           ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-03 11:31                               ` Helge Hafting
2007-10-04  0:31                               ` Rusty Russell
2007-10-01 16:55                             ` Chris Friesen
2007-10-01 17:09                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-01 17:45                                 ` Chris Friesen
2007-10-01 19:09                                   ` iperf yield usage Ingo Molnar
2007-10-02  9:03                             ` Network slowdown due to CFS Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-02 13:39                               ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-02  9:26                           ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-09-27  9:49         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-27 10:54           ` Martin Michlmayr
2007-09-27 10:56             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-27 11:12               ` Martin Michlmayr
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-10-01 22:27 Hubert Tonneau

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