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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>
Cc: Jarek Poplawski <jarkao2@o2.pl>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Martin Michlmayr <tbm@cyrius.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: iperf yield usage
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 21:09:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071001190932.GA9302@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4701323F.3000500@nortel.com>


* Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com> wrote:

> >See the background and answers to that in:
> >
> >   http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/9/19/357
> >   http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/9/19/328
> >
> >there's plenty of recourse possible to all possible kinds of apps. 
> >Tune the sysctl flag in one direction or another, depending on which 
> >behavior the app is expecting.
> 
> Yeah, I read those threads.
> 
> It seems like the fundamental source of the disconnect is that the 
> tasks used to be sorted by priority (thus making it easy to bump a 
> yielding task to the end of that priority level) while now they're 
> organized by time (making it harder to do anything priority-based).  
> Do I have that right?

not really - the old yield implementation in essence gave the task a 
time hit too, because we rotated through tasks based on timeslices. But 
the old one requeued yield-ing tasks to the 'active array', and the 
decision whether a task is in the active or in the expired array was a 
totally stohastic, load-dependent thing. As a result, certain tasks, 
under certain workloads saw a "stronger" yield, other tasks saw a 
"weaker" yield. (The reason for that implementation was simple: yield 
was (and is) unimportant and it was implemented in the most 
straightforward way that caused no overhead anywhere else in the 
scheduler.)

( and to keep perspective it's also important to correct the subject
  line here: it's not about "network slowdown" - nothing in networking
  slowed down in any way - it was that iperf used yield in a horrible
  way. I changed the subject line to reflect that. )

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-01 19:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-26  8:52 Network slowdown due to CFS Martin Michlmayr
2007-09-26  9:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-26  9:47   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-26 10:08     ` Martin Michlmayr
2007-09-26 10:18       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-26 10:20 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-09-26 10:23 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-09-26 10:48   ` Martin Michlmayr
2007-09-26 11:21     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-26 11:29       ` Martin Michlmayr
2007-09-26 12:00         ` David Schwartz
2007-09-26 13:31           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-26 15:40             ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-09-26 15:46             ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-09-27  9:30             ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-09-27  9:46               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-27 12:27                 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-09-27 13:31                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-27 14:42                     ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-09-28  6:10                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-01  8:43                         ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-01 16:25                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-01 16:49                             ` David Schwartz
2007-10-01 17:31                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-01 18:23                                 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-02  6:06                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-02  6:47                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-03  8:02                                     ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-03  8:16                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-03  8:56                                         ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-03  9:10                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-03  9:50                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-03 10:55                                               ` Dmitry Adamushko
2007-10-03 10:58                                                 ` Dmitry Adamushko
2007-10-03 11:20                                                   ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-03 11:22                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-03 11:40                                                 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-03 11:56                                                   ` yield Ingo Molnar
2007-10-03 12:16                                                     ` yield Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-07  7:18                                               ` Network slowdown due to CFS Ingo Molnar
2007-10-04  5:33                                             ` Casey Dahlin
2007-10-02  6:08                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-02  6:26                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-02  6:46                                   ` yield API Ingo Molnar
2007-10-02 11:50                                     ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-10-02 15:24                                       ` Douglas McNaught
2007-10-02 21:57                                     ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-12-12 22:39                                     ` Jesper Juhl
2007-12-13  4:43                                       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-12-13 20:10                                         ` David Schwartz
2007-10-01 19:53                               ` Network slowdown due to CFS Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-01 22:17                                 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-01 22:35                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-01 22:44                                     ` David Schwartz
2007-10-01 22:55                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-02 15:37                                         ` David Schwartz
2007-10-03  7:15                                           ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-03 11:31                               ` Helge Hafting
2007-10-04  0:31                               ` Rusty Russell
2007-10-01 16:55                             ` Chris Friesen
2007-10-01 17:09                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-01 17:45                                 ` Chris Friesen
2007-10-01 19:09                                   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2007-10-02  9:03                             ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-02 13:39                               ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-02  9:26                           ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-09-27  9:49         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-27 10:54           ` Martin Michlmayr
2007-09-27 10:56             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-27 11:12               ` Martin Michlmayr

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