From: Jarek Poplawski <jarkao2@o2.pl>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Network slowdown due to CFS
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:02:24 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071003080224.GB1726@ff.dom.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071002060607.GA18588@elte.hu>
On 02-10-2007 08:06, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com> wrote:
...
>> I'm not familiar enough with CFS' internals to help much on the
>> implementation, but there may be some simple compromise yield that
>> might work well enough. How about simply acting as if the task used up
>> its timeslice and scheduling the next one? (Possibly with a slight
>> reduction in penalty or reward for not really using all the time, if
>> possible?)
>
> firstly, there's no notion of "timeslices" in CFS. (in CFS tasks "earn"
> a right to the CPU, and that "right" is not sliced in the traditional
> sense) But we tried a conceptually similar thing [...]
>From kernel/sched_fair.c:
"/*
* Targeted preemption latency for CPU-bound tasks:
* (default: 20ms, units: nanoseconds)
*
* NOTE: this latency value is not the same as the concept of
* 'timeslice length' - timeslices in CFS are of variable length.
* (to see the precise effective timeslice length of your workload,
* run vmstat and monitor the context-switches field)
..."
So, no notion of something, which are(!) of variable length, and which
precise effective timeslice lenght can be seen in nanoseconds? (But
not timeslice!)
Well, I start to think, this new scheduler could be too simple yet...
> [...] [ and this is driven by compatibility
> goals - regardless of how broken we consider yield use. The ideal
> solution is of course to almost never use yield. Fortunately 99%+ of
> Linux apps follow that ideal solution ;-) ]
Nevertheless, it seems, this 1% is important enough to boast a little:
"( another detail: due to nanosec accounting and timeline sorting,
sched_yield() support is very simple under CFS, and in fact under
CFS sched_yield() behaves much better than under any other
scheduler i have tested so far. )"
[Documentation/sched-design-CFS.txt]
Cheers,
Jarek P.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-10-03 7:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-09-26 8:52 Network slowdown due to CFS Martin Michlmayr
2007-09-26 9:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-26 9:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-26 10:08 ` Martin Michlmayr
2007-09-26 10:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-26 10:20 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-09-26 10:23 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-09-26 10:48 ` Martin Michlmayr
2007-09-26 11:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-26 11:29 ` Martin Michlmayr
2007-09-26 12:00 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-26 13:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-26 15:40 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-09-26 15:46 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-09-27 9:30 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-09-27 9:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-27 12:27 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-09-27 13:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-27 14:42 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-09-28 6:10 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-01 8:43 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-01 16:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-01 16:49 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-01 17:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-01 18:23 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-02 6:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-02 6:47 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-03 8:02 ` Jarek Poplawski [this message]
2007-10-03 8:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-03 8:56 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-03 9:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-03 9:50 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-03 10:55 ` Dmitry Adamushko
2007-10-03 10:58 ` Dmitry Adamushko
2007-10-03 11:20 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-03 11:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-03 11:40 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-03 11:56 ` yield Ingo Molnar
2007-10-03 12:16 ` yield Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-07 7:18 ` Network slowdown due to CFS Ingo Molnar
2007-10-04 5:33 ` Casey Dahlin
2007-10-02 6:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-02 6:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-02 6:46 ` yield API Ingo Molnar
2007-10-02 11:50 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-10-02 15:24 ` Douglas McNaught
2007-10-02 21:57 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-12-12 22:39 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-12-13 4:43 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-12-13 20:10 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-01 19:53 ` Network slowdown due to CFS Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-01 22:17 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-01 22:35 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-01 22:44 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-01 22:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-02 15:37 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-03 7:15 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-03 11:31 ` Helge Hafting
2007-10-04 0:31 ` Rusty Russell
2007-10-01 16:55 ` Chris Friesen
2007-10-01 17:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-01 17:45 ` Chris Friesen
2007-10-01 19:09 ` iperf yield usage Ingo Molnar
2007-10-02 9:03 ` Network slowdown due to CFS Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-02 13:39 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-10-02 9:26 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-09-27 9:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-27 10:54 ` Martin Michlmayr
2007-09-27 10:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-09-27 11:12 ` Martin Michlmayr
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2007-10-01 22:27 Hubert Tonneau
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