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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
Cc: Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@computergmbh.de>,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
Subject: Re: RFC: reviewer's statement of oversight
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:52:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071008185225.GK2902@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <470A7847.8070502@s5r6.in-berlin.de>

On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 08:34:47PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
> Randy Dunlap wrote:
> > On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:01:49 -0700 Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
> >> Tested-by is more valuable than acked-by, because its empirical. 
> >> Acked-by generally means "I don't generally object to the idea of the
> >> patch, but may not have read beyond the changelog".  Tested-by implies
> >> "I did something that exercised the patch, and it didn't explode" -
> >> that's on par with an actual review (ideally all patches would be both
> >> tested and reviewed).
> > 
> > but Tested-by: doesn't have to involve any "actually looking at/reading
> > the patch."  Right?
> > 
> > IOW, the patch could be ugly as sin but it works...
> 
> Tested-by translated into German and back into English:  "Works for me,
> test methods not specified."
> 
> So, putting a Tested-by into the changelog is only useful if the
> necessary testing is rather simple (i.e. "fixed the bug which I was
> always able to reproduce before") or if the tester is known to have
> performed rigorous and sufficiently broad tests.

Well, you can still include those test-method details in the body of the
message in addition to adding the "Tested-by:".

Does "Tested-by" just mean they ran some relevant test on the final
version of the patch?  The really hard part is often the initial work
required to find a good reproduceable test case, capture the right error
report, or bisect to the right commit.  I think that also counts as
"testing".  And it'd be nice to have a tag for those sorts of
contributions, partly just as another way to ackowledge them.

--b.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-08 18:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-08 17:24 RFC: reviewer's statement of oversight Jonathan Corbet
2007-10-08 17:31 ` Pekka Enberg
2007-10-08 17:37 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-10-08 17:45   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-08 18:01     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-08 18:06       ` Randy Dunlap
2007-10-08 18:16         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-08 18:34         ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-08 18:52           ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2007-10-08 19:04             ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-08 19:26             ` Scott Preece
2007-10-08 20:16               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-10-09  2:07                 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-10-09  6:11                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-09  6:27                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-10-09  6:39                       ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-09  6:47                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-08 18:26     ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-08 18:40     ` Roland Dreier
2007-10-08 19:35     ` Scott Preece
2007-10-08 20:33     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-10-08 21:38       ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-08 22:18         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-10-08 23:20         ` Oleg Verych
2007-10-08 22:43   ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-10-08 23:06     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-10-09  3:34       ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-10-08 23:30     ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-09 10:28       ` Alan Cox
2007-10-08 23:42     ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-09  0:05     ` Neil Brown
2007-10-09 16:49       ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-10-09 17:25         ` Roland Dreier
2007-10-10  0:06         ` David Chinner
2007-10-15  0:27           ` Neil Brown
2007-10-09 17:44       ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-10-15  0:35         ` Neil Brown
2007-10-15 14:32           ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-10-10 13:40     ` Scott Preece
2007-10-08 18:40 ` Mark Gross
2007-10-08 18:53   ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-08 19:05     ` Al Viro
2007-10-08 19:08       ` Jonathan Corbet

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