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From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Fengguang Wu <wfg@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/11] maps3: add /proc/kpagecount and /proc/kpageflags interfaces
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:35:39 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071016003538.GC19691@waste.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1192491297.6118.129.camel@localhost>

On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 04:34:57PM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-10-15 at 18:11 -0500, Matt Mackall wrote:
> > > Could we just have /proc/kpagereferenced?  Is there a legitimate need
> > > for other flags to be visible?
> > 
> > Referenced, dirty, uptodate, lru, active, slab, writeback, reclaim,
> > and buddy all look like they might be interesting to me from the point
> > of view of watching what's happening in the VM graphically in
> > real-time.
> 
> This is true, but it forces a lot of logic from the kernel to be run in
> userspace to figure out what is going on.  Looking at mainline today:
> 
> #define PG_reclaim              17      /* To be reclaimed asap */
> ...
> #define PG_readahead            PG_reclaim /* Reminder to do async read-ahead */
> 
> All of a sudden, to figure out which flag it actually is, we need to
> have all of the logic that the kernel does.  
> 
> Does this establish a fixed user<->kernel ABI that will keep us from
> doing this in the future:
> 
> -#define PG_slab                  7      /* slab debug (Suparna wants this) */
> +#define PG_slab                  14      /* slab debug (Suparna wants this) */
> 
> Or, even something like this:
> 
> -#define PageSlab(page)          test_bit(PG_slab, &(page)->flags)
> +#define PageSlab(page)          (!PageLRU(page) && !PageHighmem(page))

Yeah, there are a bunch of flags that aren't mutually exclusive and we
could probably recover a few.

> If we actually had several (or even still one file) that exposed this
> state, independent of the actual content of page->flags, I think we'd be
> better off.  I think that's the difference between a fun, super-useful
> debugging feature and one that can stay in mainline and have
> applications stay using it (without breaking) for a long time.
> 
> The flags you listed are things that I would imagine will always exist,
> logically.  But, we might not always have a specific page flag for pages
> under writeback or in the buddy list for that matter.  PG_buddy isn't
> that old.  Perhaps that would be better abstracted to something like
> page_in_main_allocator().

Perhaps we need something like:

flags = page->flags;
userflags = 
	  FLAG_BIT(USER_REFERENCED, flags & PG_referenced) |
	  ...

etc. for the flags we want to export. This will let us change to

	 FLAG_BIT(USER_SLAB, PageSlab(page)) |

if we make a virtual slab bit.

And it shows up in grep.

Unfortunately, i386 test_bit is an asm inline and not a macro so we
can't hope for the compiler to fold up a bunch of identity bit
mappings for us.


-- 
Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-16  0:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-15 22:25 [PATCH 0/11] maps3: pagemap monitoring v3 Matt Mackall
2007-10-15 22:25 ` [PATCH 1/11] maps3: add proportional set size accounting in smaps Matt Mackall
2007-10-15 23:36   ` David Rientjes
2007-10-16  0:18     ` Matt Mackall
2007-10-16  2:24       ` David Rientjes
2007-10-15 22:25 ` [PATCH 2/11] maps3: introduce task_size_of for all arches Matt Mackall
2007-10-15 23:45   ` David Rientjes
2007-10-16  0:36     ` Dave Hansen
2007-10-16  2:26       ` David Rientjes
2007-10-16 17:18         ` maps3: introduce task_size_of for all arches (updated v4) Dave Hansen
2007-10-16 17:25           ` David Rientjes
2007-10-15 22:26 ` [PATCH 3/11] maps3: move is_swap_pte Matt Mackall
2007-10-15 22:26 ` [PATCH 4/11] maps3: introduce a generic page walker Matt Mackall
2007-10-15 22:40   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-15 23:05     ` Dave Hansen
2007-10-15 23:20       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-15 23:30     ` Matt Mackall
2007-10-16  4:58   ` David Rientjes
2007-10-15 22:26 ` [PATCH 5/11] maps3: use pagewalker in clear_refs and smaps Matt Mackall
2007-10-16  5:03   ` David Rientjes
2007-10-15 22:26 ` [PATCH 6/11] maps3: simplify interdependence of maps " Matt Mackall
2007-10-15 22:26 ` [PATCH 7/11] maps3: move clear_refs code to task_mmu.c Matt Mackall
2007-10-16  5:11   ` David Rientjes
2007-10-15 22:26 ` [PATCH 8/11] maps3: regroup task_mmu by interface Matt Mackall
2007-10-15 22:26 ` [PATCH 9/11] maps3: add /proc/pid/pagemap interface Matt Mackall
2007-10-15 22:26 ` [PATCH 10/11] maps3: add /proc/kpagecount and /proc/kpageflags interfaces Matt Mackall
2007-10-15 22:48   ` Dave Hansen
2007-10-15 23:11     ` Matt Mackall
2007-10-15 23:34       ` Dave Hansen
2007-10-16  0:35         ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2007-10-16  0:49           ` Dave Hansen
2007-10-16  0:58             ` Matt Mackall
2007-10-16  1:07               ` Dave Hansen
2007-10-15 22:26 ` [PATCH 11/11] maps3: make page monitoring /proc file optional Matt Mackall
2007-10-15 22:49   ` Dave Hansen
2007-10-15 22:51     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-16  0:03       ` Rusty Russell
2007-10-16  0:20         ` Matt Mackall
2007-10-16  5:25   ` David Rientjes

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