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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Thomas Fricaccia <thomas_fricacci@yahoo.com>,
	Crispin Cowan <crispin@crispincowan.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	LSM ML <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: LSM conversion to static interface
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:05:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071023160520.GV30533@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <471CE238.5040107@qumranet.com>

On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 07:47:36PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Greg KH wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 07:24:42PM -0700, Thomas Fricaccia wrote:
>>   
>>> Yes, I think Crispin has succinctly summed it up:  irrevocably closing
>>> the LSM prevents commercial customers from using security modules other
>>> than that provided by their Linux distributor.
>>>     
>>
>> Any "customer" using a security model other than provided by their Linux
>> distributor instantly voided all support from that distro by doing that.
>>
>> So, since the support is gone, they can easily build their own kernels,
>> with their own LSM interfaces, and get the exact same lack of support :)
>
> Running a vendor kernel has the advantage of reusing all the QA work that 
> has gone into that kernel.  It is very different from running 2.6.24-rc1 
> (or 2.6.22.x).  Hence projects like centos: you don't get any support, but 
> the likelihood of actually requiring support is lower than running some 
> random kernel.

You can also get the QA work by building your own kernel from vendor 
kernel sources.

E.g. the Debian distribution ships a package linux-source-2.6.18 that 
contains a linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2 with the patched 2.6.18 kernel 
sources Debian uses for building its kernels.

> [but I agree that someone who has somehow determined that they need a 
> specific LSM will probably have determined that they need vendor support as 
> well]

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-23 16:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-22  2:24 LSM conversion to static interface Thomas Fricaccia
2007-10-22  3:59 ` Greg KH
2007-10-22 17:47   ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-23 16:05     ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2007-10-23 16:52   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-10-22 10:07 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-22 16:10   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-22 16:50     ` Alan Cox
2007-10-22 16:56       ` Greg KH
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-10-25 11:33 Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-26 10:40 ` Samir Bellabes
2007-10-22 17:00 Thomas Fricaccia
2007-10-22 17:12 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-22 17:13 ` Greg KH
2007-10-23  5:14   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-23  5:32     ` david
2007-10-23 11:38   ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-23  5:53 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2007-10-23  7:12   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-23  8:17     ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2007-10-24  3:41     ` Greg KH
     [not found] <167451.96128.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
2007-10-18  2:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-19 20:26   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-10-19 20:40     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-20 11:05       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-20 22:57         ` James Morris
2007-10-21 22:59           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-23  9:13           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23  5:44         ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2007-10-23  8:55           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23  9:14             ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2007-10-23  9:18               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23 15:20             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-23 15:28               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23 15:34                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-25 10:23                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-10-19 21:07     ` James Morris
2007-10-18  1:34 Thomas Fricaccia
2007-10-18  2:03 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-18  2:21   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18  3:06 ` Arjan van de Ven

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