From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Is gcc thread-unsafe?
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:42:37 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200710260142.37902.ak@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.999.0710251628440.30120@woody.linux-foundation.org>
On Friday 26 October 2007 01:32:53 Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007, Andi Kleen wrote:
> >
> > No it can't (at least not on x86) as I have explained in the rest of the mail
> > you conveniently snipped.
>
> I "conveniently snipped it" because it was pointless.
>
> "adc" or "cmov" has nothing what-so-ever to do with it. If some routine
> returns 0-vs-1 and gcc then turns "if (routine()) x++" into
> "x+=routine()", what does that have to do with adc or cmov?
That is not what gcc did in that case. I don't think it tracks sets of values
over function calls (or even inside functions) at all.
The generated code was
cmpl $1, %eax ; test res
movl acquires_count, %edx ; load
adcl $0, %edx ; maybe add 1
movl %edx, acquires_count ; store
So it just added the result of a comparison into a variable
by (ab)using carry for this.
In theory such things can be done with CMOV too by redirecting
a store into a dummy variable to cancel it, but gcc doesn't
do that on its own.
> The fact is, these kinds of optimizations are *bogus* and they are
> dangerous.
The conditional add/sub using carry trick is not generally bogus.
It's just bogus for memory addresses not pretty much guaranteed in L1
[aka small stack frame] because there the pipeline benefit is unlikely to
offset the memory costs (and of course poor quality of implementation because of the
missing thread safety).
But for registers it's a fine optimization.
-Andi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-10-25 23:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-10-25 3:24 Is gcc thread-unsafe? Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 3:46 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-25 3:58 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 4:29 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-25 4:35 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-25 18:45 ` Måns Rullgård
2007-10-25 4:47 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 9:40 ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25 9:44 ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25 9:54 ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25 9:55 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 7:15 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 11:58 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-10-25 12:16 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 22:49 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 23:09 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 23:16 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 23:42 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2007-10-25 23:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 1:15 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-26 4:57 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-10-25 23:43 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 23:55 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:57 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 14:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 15:12 ` Pekka Enberg
2007-10-25 21:42 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-25 23:22 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-26 11:59 ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 17:39 ` Chris Friesen
2007-10-26 11:59 ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-25 22:26 ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-10-25 22:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-25 23:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-31 22:10 ` Phillip Susi
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[not found] ` <fa.M4DOMggyrQmdTqekWSuw4xCxiTc@ifi.uio.no>
2007-10-25 23:27 ` Robert Hancock
[not found] <e2e108260710260729x4603211cgb68d7434ce1e54e9@mail.gmail.com>
2007-10-26 14:40 ` Bart Van Assche
2007-10-26 15:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 15:34 ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 18:06 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-30 10:20 ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-02 15:29 ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-02 15:38 ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-04 15:13 ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-04 17:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-04 17:58 ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-04 18:06 ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-02 17:18 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-26 21:45 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2007-10-26 22:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 15:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 16:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 17:07 ` Bart Van Assche
2007-10-26 17:12 ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 17:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 18:08 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-26 18:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 20:39 ` Andi Kleen
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2007-10-28 18:19 linux
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