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From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Is gcc thread-unsafe?
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:42:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200710260142.37902.ak@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.999.0710251628440.30120@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Friday 26 October 2007 01:32:53 Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > 
> > No it can't (at least not on x86) as I have explained in the rest of the mail 
> > you conveniently snipped.
> 
> I "conveniently snipped it" because it was pointless.
> 
> "adc" or "cmov" has nothing what-so-ever to do with it. If some routine 
> returns 0-vs-1 and gcc then turns "if (routine()) x++" into 
> "x+=routine()", what does that have to do with adc or cmov?

That is not what gcc did in that case. I don't think it tracks sets of values
over function calls (or even inside functions) at all.

The generated code was

          cmpl    $1, %eax                ; test res
          movl    acquires_count, %edx    ; load
          adcl    $0, %edx                ; maybe add 1
          movl    %edx, acquires_count    ; store

So it just added the result of a comparison into a variable
by (ab)using carry for this.

In theory such things can be done with CMOV too by redirecting
a store into a dummy variable to cancel it, but gcc doesn't
do that on its own.

> The fact is, these kinds of optimizations are *bogus* and they are 
> dangerous.

The conditional add/sub using carry trick is not generally bogus. 
It's just bogus for memory addresses not pretty much guaranteed in L1
[aka small stack frame] because there the pipeline benefit is unlikely to 
offset the memory costs (and of course poor quality of implementation because of the 
missing thread safety). 

But for registers it's a fine optimization.

-Andi

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-25 23:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-25  3:24 Is gcc thread-unsafe? Nick Piggin
2007-10-25  3:46 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-25  3:58   ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25  4:29     ` David Schwartz
2007-10-25  4:35       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-25 18:45         ` Måns Rullgård
2007-10-25  4:47       ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25  9:40         ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25  9:44         ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25  9:54           ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25  9:55           ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25  7:15 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 11:58   ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-10-25 12:16     ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 22:49   ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 23:09     ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:14       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 23:16         ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:32           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 23:42             ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2007-10-25 23:57               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26  1:15                 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-26  4:57               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-10-25 23:43       ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 23:55         ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:57           ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 14:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 15:12   ` Pekka Enberg
2007-10-25 21:42   ` David Schwartz
2007-10-25 23:22     ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-26 11:59       ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 17:39         ` Chris Friesen
2007-10-26 11:59       ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-25 22:26   ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-10-25 22:56     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-25 23:04       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-31 22:10 ` Phillip Susi
     [not found] <fa.JbRGo0cQWncrcfKHmiNdvchsA50@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.8qDECVaPIo7DWbjhQbyw6N5Infg@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.M4DOMggyrQmdTqekWSuw4xCxiTc@ifi.uio.no>
2007-10-25 23:27     ` Robert Hancock
     [not found] <e2e108260710260729x4603211cgb68d7434ce1e54e9@mail.gmail.com>
2007-10-26 14:40 ` Bart Van Assche
2007-10-26 15:09   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 15:34     ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 18:06       ` David Schwartz
2007-10-30 10:20         ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-02 15:29           ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-02 15:38             ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-04 15:13               ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-04 17:45                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-04 17:58                   ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-04 18:06                   ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-02 17:18             ` David Schwartz
2007-10-26 21:45     ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2007-10-26 22:24       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 15:27   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 16:28     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 17:07       ` Bart Van Assche
2007-10-26 17:12         ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 17:25           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 18:08         ` Alan Cox
2007-10-26 18:14           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 20:39           ` Andi Kleen
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2007-10-28 18:19 linux

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