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From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Is gcc thread-unsafe?
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:57:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071026045754.GX10199@1wt.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200710260142.37902.ak@suse.de>

On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 01:42:37AM +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
> On Friday 26 October 2007 01:32:53 Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, 26 Oct 2007, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > > 
> > > No it can't (at least not on x86) as I have explained in the rest of the mail 
> > > you conveniently snipped.
> > 
> > I "conveniently snipped it" because it was pointless.
> > 
> > "adc" or "cmov" has nothing what-so-ever to do with it. If some routine 
> > returns 0-vs-1 and gcc then turns "if (routine()) x++" into 
> > "x+=routine()", what does that have to do with adc or cmov?
> 
> That is not what gcc did in that case. I don't think it tracks sets of values
> over function calls (or even inside functions) at all.
> 
> The generated code was
> 
>           cmpl    $1, %eax                ; test res
>           movl    acquires_count, %edx    ; load
>           adcl    $0, %edx                ; maybe add 1
>           movl    %edx, acquires_count    ; store
> 
> So it just added the result of a comparison into a variable
> by (ab)using carry for this.

While this is OK in mono-threaded code, it introduces a race condition in
multi-threaded code. The code above tried to acquire a lock, and eax was
set to 1 if it succeeded. And whatever the result, all threads still
happily modify the shared memory area (acquires_count). So the classical
case where two threads perform the same operation at the same time ends
up with a random value in acquires_count.

> In theory such things can be done with CMOV too by redirecting
> a store into a dummy variable to cancel it, but gcc doesn't
> do that on its own.

Even with a CMOV, it's the memory write which should not be performed
if the lock was not acquired.

(...)
> But for registers it's a fine optimization.

100% agree.

What would really be needed is an attribute around conditions to
indicate whether they *may* be optimized or not. Something similar
to the likely/unlikely we currently use, we could have something
like __attribute__((unsafe_cond(cond))). I think that it could still
optimize by default but let the user explicitly state that he is
playing with thread-unsafe code. As you pointed out, you did not
find any such mis-optimization in the kernel, which means that it
does not hit too often. That's the reason why I'd let the user be
careful.

Willy


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-10-26  5:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-25  3:24 Is gcc thread-unsafe? Nick Piggin
2007-10-25  3:46 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-25  3:58   ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25  4:29     ` David Schwartz
2007-10-25  4:35       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-25 18:45         ` Måns Rullgård
2007-10-25  4:47       ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25  9:40         ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25  9:44         ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25  9:54           ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25  9:55           ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25  7:15 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 11:58   ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-10-25 12:16     ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 22:49   ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 23:09     ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:14       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 23:16         ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:32           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 23:42             ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:57               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26  1:15                 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-26  4:57               ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2007-10-25 23:43       ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 23:55         ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:57           ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 14:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 15:12   ` Pekka Enberg
2007-10-25 21:42   ` David Schwartz
2007-10-25 23:22     ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-26 11:59       ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 17:39         ` Chris Friesen
2007-10-26 11:59       ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-25 22:26   ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-10-25 22:56     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-25 23:04       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-31 22:10 ` Phillip Susi
     [not found] <fa.JbRGo0cQWncrcfKHmiNdvchsA50@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.8qDECVaPIo7DWbjhQbyw6N5Infg@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.M4DOMggyrQmdTqekWSuw4xCxiTc@ifi.uio.no>
2007-10-25 23:27     ` Robert Hancock
     [not found] <e2e108260710260729x4603211cgb68d7434ce1e54e9@mail.gmail.com>
2007-10-26 14:40 ` Bart Van Assche
2007-10-26 15:09   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 15:34     ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 18:06       ` David Schwartz
2007-10-30 10:20         ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-02 15:29           ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-02 15:38             ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-04 15:13               ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-04 17:45                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-04 17:58                   ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-04 18:06                   ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-02 17:18             ` David Schwartz
2007-10-26 21:45     ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2007-10-26 22:24       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 15:27   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 16:28     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 17:07       ` Bart Van Assche
2007-10-26 17:12         ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 17:25           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 18:08         ` Alan Cox
2007-10-26 18:14           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 20:39           ` Andi Kleen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-10-28 18:19 linux

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