From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [patch] PID namespace design bug, workaround
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:17:53 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071101151753.GA6181@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4729EB88.6080408@openvz.org>
* Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org> wrote:
> The "fix" I mention is just returning -EINVAL in case user orders
> CLONE_NEWPIDS and compiling out all the namespace cloning code. This
> is just a more elegant way to get rid of pid namespaces rather than
> Ingo proposed.
unfortunately i have to NACK that approach. We never allowed broken
user-space visible APIs into the kernel like that because it just gives
a vector for that breakage to become de-facto used and forced upon the
core kernel. Even if they can be .config turned off. That's just a lame
excuse that delays the fixing of it. We may mark features that have a
good expectation to be fixed as CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL, and we may mark
drivers that nobody maintains anymore as CONFIG_BROKEN, but we dont
introduce new core syscall features with CONFIG_BROKEN! We never did and
i hope we never will.
The _only_ way to force the fixing of such type of breakages is to not
offer them _at all_. Really, you are proposing a major new extension to
lots of important core Linux APIs so please try to solve this problem
cleanly, it's really severe. Right now as things stand this containers
sub-feature is "a little bit pregnant". This is one of the few cases
where we really _must_ say no.
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-11-01 15:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-11-01 14:43 [patch] PID namespace design bug, workaround Ingo Molnar
2007-11-01 14:51 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-01 14:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-01 15:06 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-01 15:17 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2007-11-01 15:30 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-01 14:56 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-01 15:05 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-02 0:21 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-02 7:55 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-02 8:04 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-02 8:14 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-02 14:05 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-02 14:21 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-02 15:34 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-02 15:58 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-02 21:39 ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-03 4:34 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-06 7:49 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-03 20:01 ` sukadev
2007-11-04 7:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-02 17:30 ` Dave Hansen
2007-11-02 17:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-03 4:02 ` Nicholas Miell
2007-11-03 20:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-03 22:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-03 23:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-04 0:21 ` david
2007-11-04 10:38 ` [patch] PID namespaces Ingo Molnar
2007-11-04 20:12 ` Dave Hansen
2007-11-05 14:47 ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-20 22:53 ` Futexes and network filesystems Er ic W. Biederman
2007-11-21 6:16 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-11-21 6:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-01 16:12 ` [patch] PID namespace design bug, workaround Dave Hansen
2007-11-01 14:53 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-01 15:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-01 18:57 ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-01 19:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-02 0:23 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-01 15:02 ` Pavel Emelyanov
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