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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [patch] PID namespace design bug, workaround
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:17:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071101151753.GA6181@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4729EB88.6080408@openvz.org>


* Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org> wrote:

> The "fix" I mention is just returning -EINVAL in case user orders 
> CLONE_NEWPIDS and compiling out all the namespace cloning code. This 
> is just a more elegant way to get rid of pid namespaces rather than 
> Ingo proposed.

unfortunately i have to NACK that approach. We never allowed broken 
user-space visible APIs into the kernel like that because it just gives 
a vector for that breakage to become de-facto used and forced upon the 
core kernel. Even if they can be .config turned off. That's just a lame 
excuse that delays the fixing of it. We may mark features that have a 
good expectation to be fixed as CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL, and we may mark 
drivers that nobody maintains anymore as CONFIG_BROKEN, but we dont 
introduce new core syscall features with CONFIG_BROKEN! We never did and 
i hope we never will.

The _only_ way to force the fixing of such type of breakages is to not 
offer them _at all_. Really, you are proposing a major new extension to 
lots of important core Linux APIs so please try to solve this problem 
cleanly, it's really severe. Right now as things stand this containers 
sub-feature is "a little bit pregnant". This is one of the few cases 
where we really _must_ say no.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-01 15:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-01 14:43 [patch] PID namespace design bug, workaround Ingo Molnar
2007-11-01 14:51 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-01 14:56   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-01 15:06     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-01 15:17       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2007-11-01 15:30         ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-01 14:56   ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-01 15:05     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-02  0:21       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-02  7:55         ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-02  8:04           ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-02  8:14             ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-02 14:05               ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-02 14:21                 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-02 15:34                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-02 15:58                     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-02 21:39                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-03  4:34                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-06  7:49                         ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-03 20:01                   ` sukadev
2007-11-04  7:17                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-02 17:30             ` Dave Hansen
2007-11-02 17:39               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-03  4:02                 ` Nicholas Miell
2007-11-03 20:12                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-03 22:40                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-03 23:55                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-04  0:21                       ` david
2007-11-04 10:38                     ` [patch] PID namespaces Ingo Molnar
2007-11-04 20:12                       ` Dave Hansen
2007-11-05 14:47                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-20 22:53                   ` Futexes and network filesystems Er ic W. Biederman
2007-11-21  6:16                     ` Kyle Moffett
2007-11-21  6:30                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-01 16:12     ` [patch] PID namespace design bug, workaround Dave Hansen
2007-11-01 14:53 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-01 15:05   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-01 18:57     ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-01 19:53       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-02  0:23         ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-01 15:02 ` Pavel Emelyanov

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