From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>
Cc: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Sukadev Bhattiprolu <sukadev@us.ibm.com>,
Serge Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [patch] PID namespace design bug, workaround
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 17:39:20 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071102213920.GB18029@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <472B4937.1050106@openvz.org>
On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 06:58:47PM +0300, Pavel Emelyanov wrote:
> Having access to the same IPCs in different pid namespaces won't work.
> Having access to the same filesystem in different IPC namespaces won't work.
> Having access to the same UID namespace in different VFS namespaces won't work.
> Having access to the same <any> namespace in different <many others> namespace
> wont' work.
>
> That's the idea OpenVZ tried to promote when the story with "containers"
> started, but most of the other participants decided that we can create
> individual namespaces and step-by-step try to make them work in all the
> possible combinations.
Heh. Well, this won't be the first time that we go around the design
circle wiht people objecting with the idea eventually figuring out
that the original idea really was the only sane way to do things. :-)
Maybe it would be instructive to create a matrix which lists areas
where processes that share namespace FOO but not namespace BAR would
result in breakage, with an explanation of what breaks in a particular
instance? Assuming we continue to go down the path of orthogonal
namespace, having a file in Documentation/ which lists places where
there different namepsaces have dependencies on each other for correct
system call operation would be a Good Thing.
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-11-02 21:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-11-01 14:43 [patch] PID namespace design bug, workaround Ingo Molnar
2007-11-01 14:51 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-01 14:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-01 15:06 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-01 15:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-01 15:30 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-01 14:56 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-01 15:05 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-02 0:21 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-02 7:55 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-02 8:04 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-02 8:14 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-02 14:05 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-02 14:21 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-02 15:34 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-02 15:58 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-02 21:39 ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2007-11-03 4:34 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-06 7:49 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-11-03 20:01 ` sukadev
2007-11-04 7:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-02 17:30 ` Dave Hansen
2007-11-02 17:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-03 4:02 ` Nicholas Miell
2007-11-03 20:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-03 22:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-03 23:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-04 0:21 ` david
2007-11-04 10:38 ` [patch] PID namespaces Ingo Molnar
2007-11-04 20:12 ` Dave Hansen
2007-11-05 14:47 ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-20 22:53 ` Futexes and network filesystems Er ic W. Biederman
2007-11-21 6:16 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-11-21 6:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-01 16:12 ` [patch] PID namespace design bug, workaround Dave Hansen
2007-11-01 14:53 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-01 15:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-01 18:57 ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-01 19:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-02 0:23 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-01 15:02 ` Pavel Emelyanov
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