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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <linux@treblig.org>
To: Crispin Cowan <crispin@crispincowan.com>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LSM ML <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	apparmor-dev <apparmor-dev@forge.novell.com>
Subject: Re: AppArmor Security Goal
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:24:14 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071110222414.GC24195@gallifrey> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47362C7C.2050202@crispincowan.com>

* Crispin Cowan (crispin@crispincowan.com) wrote:
> Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > * Crispin Cowan (crispin@crispincowan.com) wrote:
> > <snip
> >>     * Manipulating AppArmor policy requires being both root privileged
> >>       and not being confined by AppArmor, thus there is explicitly no
> >>       capability for non-privileged users to change AppArmor policy.
> >>     
> > It's a pity that there is no way to do this; it would be nice to restrict
> > web browsers, document editors etc but allow them
> > to access the places you commonly store documents etc.
> >   
> I don't get the problem: if you want your web browser to be able to
> access where you commonly store your documents, then give it that
> permission. The above rule says that your web browser doesn't get to go
> change AppArmor policy on its own.

But can I as a non-privileged user say which directories I want it to
be able to access?

> I have serious doubts about the utility of restricting a text editor.
> You nominally want to be able to edit any file on the system, so
> confining it would be fairly meaningless.

Text editor probably true; but I'm thinking here more of OpenOffice
and the like; there have been plenty of document carried malware in the
past.

> > Similarly I'd like to be able to split applications so that
> > the 'preferences' editing facilities are done by separate
> > envrionments so that there is no way that a fault in parsing
> > external data could edit the config (e.g. change home page or
> > proxy in a browser or default document in an editor).
> >   
> AppArmor will let you do that; most of the work is in splitting the
> application. If you can get e.g. Firefox to use a separate process that
> it exec's for editing your preferences, then AppArmor can confine that
> helper app with a different policy than Firefox itself, including
> granting the helper write permission to the config directory.

Yes, and designing the app so that it's filenames are predictable;
firefox has a fun habit of using randomly named profile directories.

Dave
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-10 22:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-08 21:33 AppArmor Security Goal Crispin Cowan
2007-11-10 21:04 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-10 21:24   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-11-11  3:23     ` John Johansen
2007-11-10 21:28   ` david
2007-11-11  3:36     ` John Johansen
2007-11-10 22:04 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2007-11-10 22:11   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-11-10 22:24     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2007-11-10 22:41       ` Crispin Cowan
2007-11-10 22:57         ` Alan Cox
2007-11-10 23:14           ` Crispin Cowan
2007-11-10 23:54             ` Alan Cox
2007-11-10 23:25         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2007-11-10 23:52           ` david
2007-11-10 23:47             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2007-11-10 23:56             ` Alan Cox
2007-11-11  1:27               ` david
2007-11-11  3:59                 ` John Johansen
2007-11-12 23:58               ` Crispin Cowan
2007-11-11  4:17             ` John Johansen
2007-11-11  4:50               ` david
2007-11-13  0:13             ` Crispin Cowan
2007-11-11  7:02           ` Rogelio M. Serrano Jr.
2007-11-12 23:50           ` Crispin Cowan
2007-11-13  1:20             ` John Johansen
2007-11-11  2:17         ` Casey Schaufler
2007-11-11  3:55           ` John Johansen
2007-11-13  0:10           ` Joshua Brindle
2007-11-13  4:58             ` Casey Schaufler
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-11-11  8:16 Rob Meijer
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2007-11-12 18:43             ` Bodo Eggert

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